Habakkuk's Two Tables #83

CONCLUSION

Presented by Jeff Pippenger

Invocation by Brother Jeff Pippenger: Heavenly Father, we thank you for bringing us together this morning. We thank you that you have watched over the many souls that have been traveling here for the beginning of this week of presentations by Pastor Richards. And as we take up the worship this morning, we once again ask that you grant us the presence of your Holy Spirit, that you would speak to our hearts about the truths that are presented in Daniel, chapter 8. We want to understand these things in a way that allows us to be prepared to give an answer to any man that asks us. We want to understand these things in a way that the Holy Spirit can convict us of the nearness of your return and our need of personal preparation. So, we ask that this time that we spend here this morning would help accomplish that work in us and for us. We ask that you would overrule my humanity; hide me behind your cross and touch my lips with a coal from off the altar that what is presented would be a message designed by you to edify and strengthen your people. We ask a blessing upon the LiveStream and the DVD presentations that we are doing right now and throughout this week. We also pray for the short evangelistic series that we are going to have at the church at the end of this week, that your Holy Spirit will be convicting those in the community that they might attend those meetings. We thank you for all these things in Jesus's name. Amen.

The Daily (Continued)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Now, one of the things that I was hoping to do with these morning worships we have pretty much accomplished. I know that some of the presentations that I intend to do for morning worships in concluding Habakkuk's Two Tables are a little bit more complex than others, and I had hoped to have some of the complex ones, if that is the right word, accomplished before Emiliano got here, because we have full days ahead of us for the next five days, lots of presentations; and, it would be easier, no doubt, if I was not burdening our minds with a lot of information the beginning of each day in the morning. But, still, we want to put what we want to study here in the record.

I do not know if you listened to yesterday's presentation No. 82, that presentation, from my experience, is one that has of all kinds of lights that can be turned on further than what we touched yesterday. So, it was one of the more complex ones.

Verse Twelve

Now we are going to return back to Daniel 8 and finish off a couple of things and begin a couple of other things.

We have been emphasizing, among other things, that where there is no vision, the people perish; and, that vision is established by the subject of Rome, according to Daniel 11, verse 14. And we have been looking closely at Rome as a subject of Bible prophecy.

We have identified that Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 have been purposely tied together by Inspiration by Daniel. In chapter 7, the first couple of verses, and in chapter 8, the first couple of verses, it is obvious that the vision of Daniel 7 is a complement of the vision of Daniel 8.

We have identified that Bible prophecy deals with the combination of church and state, and that Daniel, chapter 7, are the manifestations of the kingdoms of Bible prophecy in their state manifestations; and, in Daniel, chapter 8, are the kingdoms of Bible prophecy in their religious manifestations.

And we have shown that Daniel uses symbols from the sanctuary to illustrate the kingdoms of Bible prophecy in Daniel 8 in order for us to recognize that these are the religious manifestations of those kingdoms; but, the symbols that he uses are corrupted symbols, whether it is the horns that are corrupted on the animals that were sanctuary animals or whether it is the word tamid that is translated as Daily, and it is only a noun in the Book of Daniel, where everywhere else it is a verb or an adverb, and that itself is a corruption.

And, we have seen that the religion of these kingdoms of Bible prophecy is a counterfeit religion, a corrupted religion all the way through. This would tell you right off the bat that the Daily cannot be Christ's Sanctuary ministry because it is a corrupted symbol and there is no corruption in Christ.

So, we have identified that the Daily, of course, represents an escalation of self-exaltation as illustrated in Daniel 8 with the word gâdal. Each of the kingdoms became "great," and that word great is gâdal; and, each of the kingdoms exceeded the previous kingdoms in their gâdal, in their self-exaltation, thus identifying a progression that is also noted in Daniel 2 (in the metals). There is a progression that is marked; and, there is a progression that is marked in Revelation 17.

The Books of Daniel and of Revelation are the same book. So, when you come to the kingdoms of Bible prophecy, there is a progression that is illustrated upon the testimony of two; and then in chapter 8, you have a third witness. And the progression there that is emphasized is this escalation of self-exaltation as illustrated by the word gâdal; and, therefore, the symbol of this gâdal is the word Daily (Paganism, continual). It means continual. It is the continual religion of Satan from his rebellion in Heaven, until the end of time; and, his rebellion, his religion escalates as history proceeds.

And then we looked, of course, at the illustration of this counterfeit sanctuary service in Daniel 8:11.

And now we want to go back into verses 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 and finish out that thought.

We have not dealt with verse 12 yet; but, in verse 9, we have identified that the little horn there is the masculine little horn, and in verse 10 it is the feminine, and in verse 11 it is the masculine, and in verse 12 it is the feminine. The masculine little horn is Pagan Rome; the feminine little horn is Papal Rome. We walked down through 9, 10, and 11.

And verse 12 says, in your notes,

"¹²And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,"—

The word him is in italics, meaning that it is an added word.

—"and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered." Daniel 8:12 (KJV).

When we see the word it for the little horn in these verses, it is identifying that it is the little horn in the feminine tense; therefore, verse 12 once again is dealing with Papal Rome. This is the little horn in the feminine.

Against

Verse 12 says, "an host," an army (military strength) was given him "against"—and we have already put in the record, we have already used the next quote from Uriah Smith, where we are dealing with the time prophecy of Daniel 11:24 that identifies that Pagan Rome would rule the world for 360 years, beginning with the Battle of Actium, and ending when Constantine moved the capitol from the City of Rome to Constantinople, that Pagan Rome would rule the world supremely for a time (for 360 years). And when Uriah Smith is addressing that verse, verse 24 of Daniel 11, it says—let us just go there where you can see it and remind ourselves. We have already put this in the record of Habakkuk's Two Tables more than once.

But, the last phrase of verse 24 of Daniel 11 says,

"²⁴. . . he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time." Daniel 11:24, last phrase (KJV).

So, you will see in your notes there, if you will go back to your notes where it says, "Against," it says from Uriah Smith, Thoughts on Daniel and the Revelation, page 273,

"To the latter portion of this verse, Bishop Newton gives the idea of forecasting devices from strongholds, instead of against them."—

What he is doing is he is bringing a well-known Bible commentator to say that this word against in verse 24 can also be understood as from. And, sure enough, if you look at the Strong's Concordance, that is one of the correct definitions for this word that is translated as against. And this word translated as against in Daniel 11:24 is the same word that is translated as against in Daniel 8:12.

—"This the Romans did from the strong fortress of their seven-hilled city. 'Even for a time;' doubtless a prophetic time, 360 years. From what point are these years to be dated? Probably from the event brought to view in the following verse." Uriah Smith, Thoughts on Daniel and the Revelation, 273.

What I am suggesting to you here is that in verse 12—back to your notes—it says, "And an host [military strength] was given him [was given the Papacy], [not against the Daily, but] from the daily . . . ." From these former Pagan kings, beginning with Clovis in AD496, military strength was supplied to the Papacy, "And an host was given him from [Paganism] by reason of transgression, and it [the Papacy] cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered."

Verse 9

So, I have a breakdown for us, just in passing. Verse 9, the little horn, the male manifestation, is talking about three areas of conquest for Pagan Rome, and you see the dates there:

65BC Syria (the East); 63BC Palestine (the pleasant land); 31BC Egypt (the South).

Syria is the east in the verse; Palestine is the pleasant land in the verse, and Egypt is the south in the verse. And those are the dates of the conquest, 65BC, 63BC, and 31BC.

Verse 10

First Century to 1798 (waxed great)

Then in verse 10, which is one of the most difficult for me to understand, when I look at Uriah Smith's comments, they are there but this is a difficult one for me, verse 10, in the sense that it says,

"¹⁰And it"—

The Papacy; it is feminine, if you have your Bibles opened to verse 10.

—"¹⁰And it [the Papacy] waxed great,"—

This is this gâdal getting greater.

—"even to the host of heaven, and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them." Daniel 8:10 (KJV).

I understand here that the Papacy exalts itself to Heaven. I get that part; but, I do not know how the Papacy actually casts some of the stars of heaven down to the ground.

Now, Uriah Smith tries to tie it in with the persecution of the leadership of God's church during the 1260 years, and that may very well be. I do not have a problem with that, but I do not know how it casts down the host of Heaven. Okay?

So, anyway, there is a thought in there about the persecution, no doubt.

So, for verse 10 the history is from the 1st Century, because Paul tells us that the Mystery of Iniquity "doth already work," and this is the beginning of the Papacy here in the 1^st Century. All the way through AD1798 it waxed great. That is the history of verse 10.

Verse 11

Birth of Christ: AD31, 508, 330

Then in verse 11, Pagan Rome magnified itself against Christ, the Prince of the host, at His birth. When they tried to kill him, He had to flee into Egypt; and, at His death at the cross. So, you have those dates there.

And, of course, Paganism was lifted up. Once it was taken away, the religion of Paganism was lifted up from Pagan Rome and exalted unto Heaven, and this process begins in AD508, until the Papacy is placed upon the throne in 538.

And the "place of his sanctuary" was the Pantheon Temple. It was located in the City of Rome. It was cast down in the year AD330.

So, those were the dates that you can tie together with verse 11.

Verse 12

AD496 (transgression); AD538 through 1798 (practiced and prospered)

Then in verse 12, it says,

"¹²And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered." Daniel 8:12 (KJV).

"And an host was given [the Papacy] from [Paganism] by reason of transgression, . . ." And the host (the military strength that came to the aid of the Papacy) began with Clovis in AD496 by reason of transgression, which we are going to discuss.

So, you can see AD496, on through 1798, which it practiced and prospered.

So, that is just a breakdown of what histories are marked in these verses that allow us to go to other verses and get second and third witnesses on them.

Spoken of by Daniel the Prophet

Matthew 24:15; Daniel 9:26-27

"¹⁵When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whosoever readeth, let him understand:) . . ." Matthew 24:15 (KJV).

"²⁶And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. ²⁷And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [margin: desolator]." Daniel 9:26-27 (KJV).

Now, we have read this in Habakkuk's Two Tables. This is already part of the record; but, from Damsteegt's Foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Message and Mission, page 22, speaking of William Miller's Rules of Prophetic Interpretation, he says the fundamental approach to Bible prophecy by the Millerites was that there are two desolating powers in Bible prophecy. Damsteegt says,

"William Miller, when applying his hermeneutic, noticed in the various apocalyptic passages a recurring theme of controversy between the people of God and their enemies. In his analysis of the persecuting powers of God's people throughout the ages he developed the concept of the two abominations, defined as paganism (the first abomination) symbolizing the persecuting force outside the church, and the papacy (the second abomination) representing the persecuting power within the church. It was the motif of the two abominations that characterized most of his following prophetic interpretations." P. Gerard Damsteegt, Foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Message and Mission, 22.

So, what I am saying is we have been instructed to study the same way that William Miller studied, and we have been instructed to use William Miller's Rules of Biblical interpretation; therefore, logic tells us that we, too, should be recognizing two desolating powers in Daniel and Revelation, and those desolating powers are Paganism and Papalism.

Remember Daniel 11:14

Daniel 7:23-25; 8:9-12, 13-14; 11:30-31; 12:11; Revelation 12 and 13; 2:12-29

Now, we have spent some time on Daniel 11:14, identifying—and this is a big thing. Seventh-day Adventists should understand this, but Seventh-day Adventists do not understand this!—that the "robbers of thy people" in Daniel 11:14 is Rome; and, you need to know that because Rome establishes the vision.

And in the history of the Millerites, this truth was so attacked by the opposition of the Millerite Movement that here [referring to the 1843 Chart] we have a date on this sacred Chart, 164BC, that has no reference to the Bible whatsoever. Okay? What it is the reference to is that the people that were opposing the presentation of the Millerites that what established the vision was Rome were using a counterfeit symbol, a counterfeit argument, to undermine the identification of Rome, and that counterfeit was Antiochus Epiphanes. Therefore, it was such a controversy in their history that it was important for them to put it on this Chart.

And what the 1843 Chart says about 164 is, "Death of Antiochus Epiphanes, who of course, stood not up against the Prince of Princes; as he had been 164 yrs. dead before the Prince of Princes was born."

So, this was such an issue within their history that it is even marked on the [1843] Chart. And what the issue is, is who is going to establish the vision? Is it one of the last of these Greek kings, or is it Rome that establishes the vision?

And, of course, this is the argument of Desmond Ford, is that it is Antiochus Epiphanes; and, of course, the argument of Desmond Ford is what crystallizes the two types of hermeneutics in Adventism today.

Because of the controversy of Desmond Ford, you suddenly can see these two false systems of hermeneutics in Adventism because they had all been pretty much in the same realm of study until Desmond Ford started taking their false hermeneutics to the conclusion that destroyed Adventism.

Then some of those theologians decided, "Oh, no, we can't destroy Adventism. We need to fine-tune our hermeneutics so we can defend against Desmond Ford," and this is what crystallizes these two false hermeneutic practices in Adventism today, the Biblical Research Institute being the line that is opposing Desmond Ford but, in reality, they are just as much in darkness as Desmond Ford; because, the Biblical Research Institute will tell you we no longer believe this portion of the 1843 Chart (the Pioneer teaching of Islam); we no longer believe this portion of the Chart, the 1335 and the 1290 because we no longer believe the Daily in AD508, which is the starting point of these two time prophecies [the 1335 and the 1290]; and, we no longer believe the 2520. Therefore, they do not believe much of it. Okay? They just do not believe much of it, which, of course, means they reject the authority of the Spirit of Prophecy, because Ellen G. White says this Chart was directed by the hand of the Lord and it should not be altered.

Although, they [the Biblical Research Institute] are the champions to oppose Desmond Ford, and Desmond Ford's primary argument is Antiochus Epiphanes.

So, when we remember that Rome establishes the vision, then underneath in your notes you will see in Daniel 7:23-25, that when Rome is presented, there are two phases of Rome: Pagan Rome and Papal Rome.

"²³Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. ²⁴And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. ²⁵And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." Daniel 7:23-25 (KJV).

In Daniel 8:9-12, which we are looking at, there are two phases of Rome: Pagan Rome and Papal Rome.

"⁹And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. ¹⁰And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the starts to the ground, and stamped upon them. ¹¹Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. ¹²And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered." Daniel 8:9-12 (KJV).

In verses 13 and 14 of Daniel 8, where we are heading, we will see two phases of Rome: Pagan Rome and Papal Rome.

"¹³Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? ¹⁴And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:13-14 (KJV).

We have already considered more than once Daniel 11:30-31, where arms (Pagan Rome) stand on the part of Papal Rome; so, we see both of these Romes in those verses.

"³⁰For the ships of Chittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do, he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. ³¹And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Daniel 11:30-31 (KJV).

In Daniel 12:11, we see Paganism (Pagan Rome) being taken away in order to set up the Papacy. There are both phases of Rome in that verse.

"¹¹And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:11 (KJV).

In Revelation, chapters 12 and 13, we see the dragon in chapter 12, and the Papacy in chapters 12 and 13; so, we see both these desolating powers in Revelation 12 and 13.

^{"chapter 12:1} And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: ² And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ³ And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. ⁴ And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. ⁵ And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ⁶ And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. ⁷ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, ⁸ And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. ⁹ And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ¹⁰ And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. ¹¹ And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. ¹² Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ¹³ And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. ¹⁴ And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ¹⁵ And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. ¹⁶ And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. ¹⁷ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12 (KJV).

"^{chapter 13:1} And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

² And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. ³ And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. ⁴ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? ⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. ⁶ And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. ⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. ⁸ And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. ⁹ If any man have an ear, let him hear. ¹⁰ He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. ¹¹ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. ¹² And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. ¹³ And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, ¹⁴ And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. ¹⁵ And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

¹⁶ And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: ¹⁷ And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ¹⁸ Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelation 13 (KJV).

In Revelation 2:12-29, we see Pergamos, which is Pagan Rome, followed by Thyatira, which is Papal Rome. So, when we understand that Rome establishes the vision, and we understand the Millerites recognized two desolating powers, we can go into Daniel and Revelation and see that the Millerites were correct. Rome is an illustration of two desolating powers.

"^{chapter 2:12} And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; ¹³ I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. ¹⁴ But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. ¹⁵ So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. ¹⁶ Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. ¹⁷ He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

¹⁸ And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; ¹⁹ I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. ²⁰ Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. ²¹ And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. ²² Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. ²³ And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. ²⁴ But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. ²⁵ But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. ²⁶ And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ²⁷ And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. ²⁸ And I will give him the morning star. ²⁹ He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 2:12‑29 (KJV).

And the dragon in Revelation 12 is Satan, but in a secondary sense it is Pagan Rome.

"The line of prophecy in which these symbols are found begins with Revelation 12, with the dragon that sought to destroy Christ at His birth. The dragon is said to be Satan (Revelation 12:9); he it was that moved upon Herod to put the Saviour to death. But the chief agent of Satan in making war upon Christ and His people during the first centuries of the Christian Era was the Roman Empire, in which paganism was the prevailing religion. Thus while the dragon, primarily, represents Satan, it is, in a secondary sense, a symbol of pagan Rome." The Great Controversy, 439.

The Daily and the Transgression of Desolation

This is J. N. Andrews; and, J. N. Andrews in this brief statement we are going to read is going to quote not only William Miller but Josiah Litch, so it is as much them as it is him. This is from The Sanctuary and the 2300 Days, pages 33 – 34, and it says this:

"THERE ARE TWO 'DESOLATIONS' IN DANIEL 8.—This fact is made so plain by Josiah Litch that we present his words:

"'The daily sacrifice' is the present reading of the English text. But no such thing as sacrifice is found in the original. This is acknowledged on all hands.'"—

So, when you see the Daily in the Book of Daniel, and it says, "the daily sacrifice," what he is saying is just what Sister White says in Early Writings that this word was added by human wisdom and does not belong to the text. Okay? So, when we see the Daily in the Book of Daniel, it should be just "the daily."

—"'This is acknowledged on all hands. It is a gloss or construction put on it by the translators. The true reading is, "the daily and the transgression of desolation," daily and transgression being connected together by "and;" the daily desolation and the transgression of desolation. They are two desolating powers, which were to desolate the sanctuary and the host.'—Prophetic Expositions, Volume 1, page 127.

"It is plain that the sanctuary and the host were to be trodden under foot by the daily and the transgression of desolation. The careful reading of verse 13 [Daniel 8:13] settles this point. And this fact establishes another, viz.: that these two desolations are the two grand forms under which Satan has attempted to overthrow the worship and the cause of Jehovah. Mr. Miller's remarks on the meaning of these two terms, and the course pursued by himself in ascertaining that meaning, is presented under the following head:

"THE TWO DESOLATIONS ARE PAGANISM AND PAPACY"—

Now, this is William Miller. We have read this more than once. He is going to describe how he comes to understand the Daily is Paganism in 2 Thessalonians, chapter 2; because, it was the power that was holding back the Papacy from rising. Okay?

—"I read on, and could find no other case in which it [the daily] was found, but in Daniel. I then [by the aid of a concordance] took those words which stood in connection with it, 'take way;' he shall take away, 'the daily;' 'from the time the daily shall be taken away', etc. I read on, and thought I should find no light on the text; finally, I came to 2 Thessalonians 2:7, 8. 'For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way, and then shall that wicked be revealed,' etc. And when I had come to that text, oh! how clear and glorious the truth appeared! There it is! That is 'the daily!' Well now, what does Paul mean by 'he who now letteth,' or hindereth? By 'the man of sin,' and the 'wicked,' popery is meant. Well, what is it which hinders popery from being revealed? Why, it is paganism; well, then, 'the daily' must mean paganism.'—Second Advent Manual, page 66."

J. N. Andrews, The Sanctuary and the 2300 Days, 33–34.

So, there are two desolating powers that are represented by Rome in the Scriptures, and this is the fundamental approach to prophecy of the Millerites.

Transgression

But, in verse 12 that we are dealing with, it says,

"¹²And an host was given him [the Papacy] against the daily [from Paganism] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered." Daniel 8:12 (KJV).

So, we want to know what it means "by reason of transgression."

TRANSGRESSION: Strong's Concordance H6588—From H6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious): - rebellion, sin, transgression, trespassive.

And transgression in the Strong's means a revolt (national, moral or religious): - rebellion, sin, transgression, trespassive.

So, there was some kind of transgression that took place that allowed the Papacy to assume authority over the military strength of Pagan Rome, and it is worth understanding what that transgression is; because, that transgression is one of the themes of Bible prophecy.

Now, the next verses here that are listed out for you in your notes, so you can easily compare them, are three places where these two desolating powers are illustrated; but, I want you to see a distinction.

In Daniel 8:13, it says,

"¹³Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,"—

And I have removed the word sacrifice, because Ellen White and everyone, all hands agree it does not belong there.

—"the daily and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13 (KJV).

Okay. Do you see that?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: That is Paganism, and what else?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The Papacy.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: The Papacy.

All right. But, now if you go to Daniel 11:31, it says,

"³¹And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Daniel 11:31 (KJV).

Pagan Rome is going to stand up for the Papacy, and those arms are going to "pollute the sanctuary of strength." They are going to destroy the City of Rome over and over again in the warfare that takes place; and shall take away Paganism, "and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

Who is the abomination that maketh desolate?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The Papacy.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Who is the Daily?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Paganism.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Okay. So, here, Daniel is giving us an illustration of Paganism and Papalism, but it is a little bit different than verse 13. In verse 13 the Papacy is not the "abomination that maketh desolate," it is "the transgression of desolation."

Do you see that? Do you see that distinction?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Okay. And then in Daniel 12:11, it says,

"¹¹And from the time that the daily [Paganism] shall be taken away [in AD508], and the abomination that maketh desolate"—

Who is "the abomination that maketh desolate"?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The Papacy.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: It is the Papacy.

—"set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:11 (KJV).

So, what am I trying to get you to see here? That when portrayed in connection with the Daily in the Book of Daniel, when the Papacy is portrayed as the second desolating power in the Book of Daniel, the Daily is Paganism but the Papacy is portrayed in two different ways: one time it is "the transgression of desolation" in verse 13 of Daniel 8, and in Daniel 12:11 and 11:31 it is "the abomination that maketh desolate."

So, you see the differences, right?

And you, as students of prophecy, you want to know what the differences represent—do you not?—because, we have been told in the Spirit of Prophecy that every fact has its bearing. Right?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: So, what is the distinction that is being made there?

And the first clue is that in verse 12, which comes right before verse 13 of Daniel 8, it says an army, a host, was given the Papacy from Paganism by reason of transgression. Okay? So, if we can figure out what that transgression was that allowed the Papacy to take control of the military strength of these former Pagan kingdoms, then we might understand why the Papacy is sometimes referred to as "the transgression of desolation."

Do you follow me?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Because, it is the verse before.

Transgression of Desolation—Combination of Church and State

What allowed the Papacy to take control of the military strength of Pagan Rome was the combination of church and state. When Clovis became a Catholic, he dedicated his throne to placing the Papacy upon the throne of the Earth; but, he also came into a church-state alliance, and this is the transgression. "By reason of transgression," this is how the Papacy took control of those armies. The transgression is the combination of church and state.

Abomination that Maketh Desolate

But, what is "the abomination that maketh desolate"?

If you look up abomination, it says,

ABOMINATION: H8251—disgusting, that is, filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol: - abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

The word abomination in the Bible is associated with idol, I-D-O-L.

So, what I am saying is that the idol that represents the Papacy is the sun—okay?—the idol, the premier idol of the Papacy.

Brother Mark and Tara Marie sent us a YouTube clip last week when we were talking about the Pantheon Temple, and it was a nice little clip. But, in the Pantheon Temple, it purposely has this great big hole, this perfect, perfect hole in the top of the Pantheon. So, when it rains, the rain comes in; so, it is a purposeful hole. The hole in the roof is circular, but this hole is in there, and they give you this speculation about what the purpose of that hole is. The purpose of that hole is they were sun worshippers. It is a symbol of the sun, because that is the premier idol of Paganism and the Papacy; and, an idol is an abomination. So, when the Papacy is portrayed as "the abomination that maketh desolate," it is emphasizing its premier idol which is the sun: Sunday worship.

Complement

You will notice in Acts of the Apostles, page 585, it says,

"In the Revelation all the books of the Bible meet and end."—

That sentence there is a very important sentence. That is an argument that every single word that comes before Revelation is pointing to Revelation and meets its conclusion in Revelation, which tells you, as the Revelation is an illustration of the end of the world, that all the prophets are speaking about the end of the world.

—"In the Revelation all the books of the Bible meet and end. Here is the complement of the book of Daniel."—

And a complement spelled with an "E" is different than a compliment spelled with an "I."

If I say, "You look nice today," it is a compliment with an "I."

But, the word complement with an "E," you see the definition, it means:

COMPLEMENT: Fullness; completion; whence, perfection. Webster's 1828 Dictionary.

So, when Sister White says here, in the Book of Revelation, is the complement of the Book of Daniel, she is saying that the Book of Revelation brings the Book of Daniel to perfection. They are the same book.

—"One is a prophecy; the other a revelation. The book that was sealed is not the Revelation, but that portion of the prophecy of Daniel relating to the last days. The angel commanded, 'But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end.' Daniel 12:4." Acts of the Apostles, 585.

The Same Line

The next quote, from Manuscript Releases, volume 9, page 8, says,

"Revelation is a sealed book, but it is also an opened book. It records marvelous events that are to take place in the last days of this earth's history. The teachings of this book [Revelation] are definite, not mystical and unintelligible. In it [the Book of The Revelation] the same line of prophecy is taken up as in Daniel. Some prophecies God has repeated, thus showing that importance must be given to them. The Lord does not repeat things that are of no great consequence." Manuscript Releases, volume 9, 8.

Okay. So, they are the same book.

So, why did I jump into identifying that Daniel and Revelation are the same book? I did so, because there are two symbols for the Papacy in the Book of Revelation that are premier symbols of the Papacy. One is the image of the beast, and one is the mark of the beast.

And the image of the beast we have dealt with more than once in this presentation is the combination of church and state, and the mark of the beast is The Sunday Law.

So, what I am suggesting to you is because the same line of prophecy taken up in the Book of Revelation as is found in the Book of Daniel that when the Papacy is portrayed as "the transgression of desolation" in Daniel 8:13, it is emphasizing how the Papacy took control of the armies of these Pagan kingdoms, and it did so by the combination of church and state. And in the Book of Revelation, this "transgression of desolation" is identified as the image of the beast—all right?—because, there is only one definition of the image of the beast given in Inspiration: it is the combination of church and state, with the church in control of that relationship.

But, when the Papacy is identified as "the abomination that maketh desolate" in the Book of Daniel—and an abomination is an idol—it is emphasizing its premier idol. And in the Book of Revelation, when it is being represented by John, it is represented as "the mark of the beast." So, the two characteristics of the Papacy in both Daniel and Revelation are the image of the beast and the mark of the beast; or, as Daniel would say, "the transgression of desolation" and "the abomination that maketh desolate."

And you have references for this below your notes that we have looked at previously in these presentations. Now, I am not reading these definitions of the image of the beast and the mark of the beast:

Selected Messages, book 2, page 359:

"The Protestant world have set up an idol sabbath in the place where God's Sabbath should be, and they are treading in the footsteps of the Papacy." Selected Messages, book 2, 359.

Papal Sunday Law—538

Third Synod at Orleans, the seventh of May

Review and Herald, April 29, 1890:

"No law has ever been made to exalt the idol sabbath but that Satan has taken a leading part in its enactment and its enforcement. Every law for the elevation of Sunday has a direct reference to the fourth commandment. Every move that has been made to enforce its observance, is for the purpose of exalting the man of sin above God and above all that is worshiped. Satan would have us exalt the idol sabbath, but we cannot do it, for it would be disloyalty to God. In the face of Nebuchadnezzar's decree of death, the three Hebrew children refused to bend the knee, preferring to be cast into the fiery furnace rather than bow to the golden image. They declared they were not careful to answer the king, and said, 'If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O King, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.'" Review and Herald, April 29, 1890.

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, volume 7, page 977:

"Sundaykeeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this idol sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet." The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, volume 7, 977.

The Mark and the Image of the Beast

The Great Controversy, page 445:

"The 'image to the beast' represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas. The 'mark of the beast' still remains to be defined." The Great Controversy, 445.

The Great Controversy, pages 448-449:

"The enforcement of Sundaykeeping on the part of Protestant churches is an enforcement of the worship of the papacy—of the beast. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false instead of the true Sabbath are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. But in the very act of enforcing a religious duty by secular power, the churches would themselves form an image to the beast; hence the enforcement of Sundaykeeping in the United States would be an enforcement of the worship of the beast and his image." The Great Controversy, 448–449.

Do you get my point?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

The Trampling Down?

"¹³Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13 (KJV).

In verse 13 of Daniel 8, where it says "The Trampling Down?" I want you to see something about these three verses that we just looked at, where we see "the transgression of desolation," and "the abomination that maketh desolate," and "the abomination that maketh desolate."

Daniel 8:13, Daniel 11:31, and Daniel 12:11 teach different things about these histories.

The Placing—AD538

We will start with "The Placing."

In verse 31 of Daniel 11, it says,

"³¹And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Daniel 11:31 (KJV).

The Papacy (the abomination that maketh desolate) was placed on the throne of the Earth in AD538.

And in May of AD538, if you back up in your notes, you will see a reference that says "Third Synod at Orleans, the seventh of May." In May of 538, they passed a Sunday law.

And in 538 there is also a Sunday law that is marked in history, as was Constantine's in AD321.

The Setting Up—AD508

Then in Daniel 12:11, it says,

"¹²And from the time that the daily [Paganism] shall be taken away [in AD508], and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:11 (KJV).

This verse is not emphasizing when the Papacy was placed upon the throne of the Earth; it is pointing up the setting up process that begins in AD508 to 538.

There are different truths about these desolating powers.

So, if you go back up to verse 13 [under the subtitle "The Trampling Down?"] that verse is not emphasizing about these two desolating powers (Paganism and Papalism); it is what they are going to do. They are going to give the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot.

It does not say they are going to trod the sanctuary under foot. It does not say they are going to trod the host under foot. It says they are going to trod both the sanctuary and the host down. Two entities, both of them are going to do it: Paganism is going to do it; Papalism is going to do it. It is going to tread down these two entities.

Study 41

Two Visions

The Châzôn

Daniel 8:1-2, 15-17, 26-27

This is Presentation #83. In Presentation #41 we spent some time to identify that in Daniel 8 there are two visions. In the Book of Daniel there are two visions; although, some people will protest that there are actually three, and there is.

But, in Daniel 8 we have the châzôn and the mareh; but, we will find that the mareh in chapter 10 of Daniel takes a feminine tense and it adds light to what this represents.

But, in Daniel 8 we are looking at the mareh and the châzôn, these two visions. And these two Hebrew words that are translated as vision in Daniel, chapter 8, occur 10 times in the chapter. You see the verses where you can see the châzôn vision, and you can see the verses where you can find the mareh vision.

CHÂZÔN: Strong's Concordance H2377—From H2372; a sight (mentally), that is, a dream, revelation, or oracle:—vision.

And CHÂZÔN, you see the definition: a dream, a revelation, or oracle:—vision. The châzôn is a vision, a prophetic dream that a prophet sees, a prophetic vision that they see.

The Mareh

Daniel 8:26, 14, 16

MAREH: Strong's Concordance H4758—From H7200; a view (the act of seeing); also an appearance (the thing seen), whether (real) a shape (especially if handsome, comeliness; often plural the looks), or (mental) a vision: - X apparently, appearance (-reth), X as soon as beautiful (-ly), countenance, fair, favoured, form, goodly, to look (up) on (to), look [-eth], pattern, to see, seem, sight, visage, vision.

MAREH, the other word that is translated as vision, you see the definition: It is the appearance. It is the act of seeing an appearance. And, you can see the definition of this word illustrated in Daniel, chapter 8.

If you go to Daniel, chapter 8, verse 15, it says in verse 15,

"¹⁵And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold there stood before me as the appearance of a man." Daniel 8:15 (KJV).

This word translated as appearance is mareh. In the other places that this word is used in Daniel, chapter 8, it is translated as vision; but, here, the same word mareh is translated as appearance. And this is pretty much the definition of this word, and this is why they did this.

So, these two visions, if you do not make a distinction with them, if you are a real casual surface reader and you see vision 10 times in Daniel and you assume, "Well, it is the same thing every time," then you will miss a great deal of light that can be derived if you make the distinction between these two words.

Okay. We are going to spend some time with these two words over the next several days; but, we are just putting that in place.

Verse 13

"¹³Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the [châzôn] vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13 (KJV).

In verse 13, and that is what we are dealing with now, Daniel 8:13, when he says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily and the transgression of desolation?" that word vision there is the châzôn vision. And the châzôn vision in the context of Daniel 8 begins in verse 2 and goes all the way at least through verse 13. That is the châzôn vision. It is the vision of prophetic history that Daniel sees of the kingdoms of Bible prophecy. All right? It is not the appearance. The appearance we will define later.

Okay. You can see Sister White's statement about the word sacrifice not belonging to the text, Early Writings, page 74.

"Then I saw in relation to the 'daily' (Daniel 8:12) that the word 'sacrifice' was supplied by man's wisdom, and does not belong to the text" Early Writings, 74.

So, we have taken that [the word sacrifice] out.

That Certain Saint

PALMONI: the wonderful numberer or the numberer of secrets.

Now, drop down to "That Certain Saint."

Daniel 8:13, it says,

"¹³Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the [châzôn] vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13 (KJV).

And if you have a marginal reference for "that certain saint," it is Palmoni. It means The Wonderful Numberer, or The Numberer of Secrets." And I think it is Isaiah 9:6, that Christ's name was going to be Wonderful: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace." He is The Wonderful Numberer.

And, we have spent some time here earlier in Habakkuk's Two Tables in identifying that when Christ is portrayed as Michael, it is always a symbol of the Great Controversy. Every time Michael is portrayed, whether it is in the Book of Revelation, the Book of Jude, or the Book of Daniel, He is in confrontation with Satan. Okay? So, when you see Christ portrayed as Michael, it is teaching you that it is a symbol, a story that directly relates to the Great Controversy.

The Lion of the Tribe of Judah, when you see Christ portrayed as The Lion of the Tribe of Judah, it can be representing that He is the King; but, also The Lion of the Tribe of Judah can represent that He is the One that has been given the authority to both close God's Word up to the understanding of His people and to open the Book to His people. When the Book of Daniel is unsealed in 1798, it was The Lion of the Tribe of Judah that did so.

So, what I am saying here is that when words are used to illustrate Christ, we are supposed to understand the implications of those words. And here in Daniel 8:13, Christ is Palmoni, He is The Wonderful Numberer, which teaches you that when you come to verse 13 of Daniel 8, which is the question, and verse 14, which is the answer, that you know that Christ here is telling you that He is the One that numbers the Bible. And there are so many ways that this is manifested that I will not try to illustrate it. But, so you know that verse 13 has something to do with time prophecy.

And you see the quote from Education, page 123:

"Every principle in the word of God has its place, every fact its bearing. And the complete structure, in design and execution, bears testimony to its Author. Such a structure no mind but that of the Infinite could conceive or fashion." Education, 123.

How Long?

Okay. "How long?"

Now, we are dealing with controversies as we go along; and, when it comes to those people that have the false view of the Daily in Adventism—I am not going to get into explaining their logic why—but, when it comes to verse 13 where it says,

"¹³. . . "How long shall be the [châzôn] vision concerning the daily and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13 (KJV).

The answer is in verse 14: "Until 1844."

"¹⁴And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14 (KJV).

But, because of their misunderstanding about the Daily, they cannot uphold—if you uphold this question "How long?" as representing duration, it destroys their false teaching of the Daily. In fact, this is William Miller's Rule, William Miller's argument. We will show you that as we proceed. If you have the wrong view of the Daily, you destroy the 2300 years, period! You do so!

And in an attempt to undermine that argument of William Miller, they will emphasize that the word that is translated as How long? here in verse 13 actually means when. Okay? Because, if the question is when, then it is talking about the point in time; but, if the question How long?, it is talking about duration.

And, I agree that there are some places in the Scriptures where this word that is translated as How long? has a connotation of when; but, by the context, it is about duration.

And, of course, if you look up the definition, it will tell you that it is duration, too.

HOW LONG: Strong's Concordance H5704—Properly the same as H5703 (used as a preposition, adverb or conjugation; especially with a preposition); as far (or long, or much) as, whether of space (even unto) or time (during, while, until) or degree (equally with): - against, and, as, at, before, by (that), even (to), for (-as much as), [hither-] to, + how long, into, as long (much) as, (so) that, till, toward, until, when, while, (+ as) yet. H5703—From H5710; properly a (peremptory) terminus, that is, (by implication) duration, in the sense of perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition): - eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.

H4970—From an unused root meaning to extend; properly extent (of time); but used only adverbially (especially with other particles prefixed), when (either relative or interrogative): - long, when.

So, I am just giving you that point, that the subject How long? is important. This is part of the arguments of these followers of Antiochus Epiphanes, way back at the beginning of Adventism that are still among us today.

So, by context, you can understand How long? can be duration.

Psalm 74:1-10; Daniel 12:5-7; Zechariah 1:12; Revelation 6:9-10

Go to Psalm 74, beginning in verse 1. All the prophets agree with one another, 1 Corinthians 14:32-33: "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

So, all the prophets are speaking about the end of the world. So, when one prophet is saying, "How long?" if the context is the same context and the other prophet says "How long?" then you know it is the same question.

And in Psalm 74, beginning in verse 1, it says—and this is an important passage.

"¹ O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture? ² Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt. ³ Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations;"—

Okay. This is about the desolation of Jerusalem, right? And, that is what Daniel 8:13 is all about, that Paganism and Papalism are going to trample down the sanctuary and the host. This is the same context, and there is going to be a question of "How long?" in here.

—"³ Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations, even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary."—

So, this is about the destruction of the sanctuary. It says,

—"⁴ Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs."—

This is what Jesus is quoting from in Matthew 24:15. He says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)" And Sister White is clear that when Pagan Rome set their ensign up in the sacred precincts of the sanctuary, that was a sign to the Christians to flee Jerusalem because it was about to be destroyed.

So, here is where Jesus is getting the point of reference for that prophecy. He says,

—"⁴ Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs. ⁵ A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees."—

Thus, referring to Hiram, who cut down the trees for Solomon to build the sanctuary. He was famous for doing so.

Verse 6,

—"⁶ But now they break down the carved work thereof at once with axes and hammers."—

This is about the destruction of the sanctuary, AD70; and, also, when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed it.

—"⁷ They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground. ⁸ They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land. ⁹ We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long. ¹⁰ O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever? Psalm 74:1-10 (KJV).

Now, this is the same question. It is the same subject, about the trampling down of the sanctuary; and, there is no way here that you are going to interpret this "How long?" as when. This is about how long is this going to keep going on?

So, what I am saying is, in verse 13 of Daniel 8, the context of the Bible tells you that this "How long?" is about duration.

And, of course, this passage corresponds to the passage we are considering.

Go to Daniel 12:5-7.

"⁵Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river,"—

There were two.

Where were they? There was one on this side of the river and the other on that side of the river.

Verse 6,

—"⁶And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river,"—

Who is it that walks upon the waters—and it is not Peter—who is it?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Christ the Lord.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: This is Christ walking upon the water, with an angel on one side and an angel on the other side.

—"How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"—

There is the question again: "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"

—"⁷And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river,"—

This is who? Who is this?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Christ again.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Try again. Who is this?

This is Palmoni; because, He is going to give us some wonderful numbers right now. All right?

—"⁷ And I heard the man clothed in linen [who is Christ] which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished." Daniel 12:5-7 (KJV).

So, what is the "time, times, and an half," particularly in the context of Daniel 12?

Daniel 12, the Book of Daniel is sealed up until the time of the end; and, we know the time of the end is what?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: 1798.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: 1798.

So, now, Palmoni has raised up His hand and says, ". . . it shall be for a time, times, and an half; . . ." That is the 1260. Okay?

AD538 1798

1260 yrs

70 yrs How long? ( Times, Times, and ½ Time) How long?

SCATTERING

OF THE POWER

OF HIS HOLY PEOPLE

Figure No. 169A.

[Marking on the whiteboard.]

And that takes us back to AD538.

What happens here? He accomplishes . . . ? Accomplishes?

What does that mean, He accomplishes . . . ? Shall be finished?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: And the scattering, this here is the scattering and it finishes in 1798, right here.

And what is He scattering?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The power of His people.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: The power of God's holy people. Right?

Okay. We have put that in the record. We will have more to say about that later.

In Zechariah 1:12 says,

"¹²Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? Zechariah 1:12 (KJV).

What is that? What are the threescore and ten years?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Seventy years.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Seventy years.

At the end of the 70 years—where is the 70 years? That would be way back here, right?

And there is a question, "How long?"

And, I just said these questions are all the same.

God had indignation against the sanctuary and the host in this time period [70 years], had he not? He had destroyed the sanctuary here, or allowed the sanctuary to be destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, and the host were trampled down and they were carried to Babylon. Correct?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: So, it is the same history; only, we are looking at Daniel 12 saying that this scattering (this trampling down) ends in 1798. So, we are seeing some prophetic expansion to what this truth means.

And this is a reference we have had in Habakkuk's Two Tables four times so far from Prophets and Kings, page 714.

"God's church on earth was as verily in captivity during this long period of relentless persecution"—

Right here, these 1260 years.

—"as were the children of Israel held captive in Babylon during the period of the exile." Prophets and Kings, 714.

So, Sister White just compares these 70 years with these 1260 years. So, this is the same thing, because all the prophets are speaking about the end of the world.

This history [the 70 years] is illustrating this history [of the 1260 years].

And the question is, "How long?"

And if we go to Revelation 6, in the Fifth Seal, beginning in verse 9, it says,

"⁹And when he had opened the fifth seal,"—

And the Fourth Seal represents this history here, the 1260 years.

—"⁹And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: ¹⁰And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" Revelation 6:9‑10 (KJV).

At the end of the 70 years, Zechariah asked the question, "How long until you have mercy on Jerusalem?"

At the end of the 1260 years, the martyrs of this 1260 years says, "How long until you judge the Papacy for persecuting us during this time period?"

It is the same question, just broadening the understanding of this history.

But, this history here [the 70 years] and this history here [the 1260 years], it is the same history prophetically—right?—'Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto Palmoni which spake, How long shall be the chazon vision concerning Paganism and Papalism, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?'

Do you see it?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations).

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Okay. So, let us add some to this.

Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 11:2-3

Go to Luke 21, beginning in verse 20.

"²⁰And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."—

What is that? What is that?

Where have we read this already?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: AD70.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: You are saying that is AD70.

How many believe that is AD70?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Various responses.)

538 1798 1844

AD66 70 1260 yrs

70 yrs How long? ( Times, Times, and ½ Time) How long?

SCATTERING TEMPLE

CIVIL POWER 46 yrs

HIS HOLY PEOPLE

TIMES OF THE GENTILES

42 MONTHS

Figure No. 169B.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: It is AD66; but, you want to put AD70 somewhere in there, too.

But, that is not my point. It was not my question.

Where have we seen this? We have seen this in Psalm 74. Okay? This is the sign. The enemies have set up their ensigns as signs.

In AD66 the sign is set up identifying that Jerusalem is about to be destroyed.

Verse 21:

—"²¹Then let them which are of Judaea flee to the mountains, and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. ²²For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. ²³But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. ²⁴And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." Luke 21:20-24 (KJV).

So, Jesus is saying here [AD70] that Jerusalem is going to be trodden down until this Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.

Now, you might think that that is right here in AD70, but it is not. We are going to show you that it is not.

And I am trying to show you that the scattering and the Times of the Gentiles are interchangeable terms here.

Go to Revelation 11:2-3. This is review for most of us in this room. I do not know that it is for people watching on LiveStream or perhaps on DVD; and, I do not want to weary anyone's mind that is here today because we have four presentations following by Emiliano. But, we are going to go to Revelation 11, verses 2 and 3; and, I want to tell you that we only have a few minutes left. And in the few minutes that we have left, we are going to pull at least one trigger. So, focus in now. Okay?

This is Revelation 11, beginning at verse 2:

"²But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."—

Here is the trampling down of Jerusalem, right? This is Daniel 8:13. And here the Gentiles, the Times of the Gentiles (Luke 21:24), Jerusalem is going to be trodden down until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. And here [in Revelation 11:2] it says, "Leave off the courtyard because it is given to the Gentiles, and they shall tread down the holy city"—that is Jerusalem—"for 42 months.

So, when do the Times of the Gentiles end?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: 1798.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: 1798.

So, we have a false teaching in Adventism saying the Time of the Gentiles ends in the Six-Day War in 1967, or whatever. That is based upon Catholic rules of prophetic interpretation, if it is not based upon the Word of God.

The Times of the Gentiles is 42 months.

But, what is John doing in Revelation 11, verses 1, 2 and 3? He is given a rod to measure the temple and the worshippers therein.

It says, "Measure the temple and the worshippers therein, but leave off the 42 months because it is given to the Gentiles."

And, John is told to do this in Revelation 11:1, which comes right after Revelation 10 (verses 8, 9, 10, and 11). And in Revelation 10, verses 8, 9, 10, and 11, John has just eaten the Little Book. It is sweet in his mouth and becomes bitter in his stomach. So, John is standing in October 22, 1844. And in verse 11 He is saying, "You must prophesy again."

And then in chapter 11, verse 1, He says, standing in 1844, "Measure the temple, but leave off the courtyard," which is the 42 months.

So, He is saying, "Measure this history [AD538 to 1798], but leave this off [1798 to 1844]." In other words, the temple here that John is measuring is the 46 years from 1798 to 1844. Right? That is what John is measuring.

—"³And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:2-3 (KJV).

In your notes you will see two quotes there that Sister White tells you two things, if you read them carefully.

The first quote, The Desire of Ages, page 630:

"From the destruction of Jerusalem, Christ passed on rapidly to the greater event, the last link in the chain of this earth's history,—the coming of the Son of God in majesty and glory. Between these two events, there lay open to Christ's view long centuries of darkness, centuries for His church marked with blood and tears and agony. Upon these scenes His disciples could not then endure to look, and Jesus passed them by with a brief mention. 'Then shall be great tribulation,' He said, 'such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.' For more than a thousand years such persecution as the world had never before known was to come upon Christ's followers. Millions upon millions of His faithful witnesses were to be slain. Had not God's hand been stretched out to preserve His people, all would have perished. 'But for the elect's sake,' He said, 'those days shall be shortened.'" The Desire of Ages, 630.

This was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem to the Disciples, that He was portraying the destruction of Jerusalem, AND the terrors of the last days down here when human probation closes, AND the history of the Papacy from AD538 to 1798.

And then in The Great Controversy, page 25, she says,

"The future was mercifully veiled from the disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehended the two awful facts,—the Redeemer's sufferings and death and the destruction of their city and temple,—they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented before them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close of time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be unfolded as his people should need the instruction therein given. The prophecy which he uttered was twofold in its meaning: while foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem, it prefigured also the terrors of the last great day." The Great Controversy, 25.

He [Christ] is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and this history [AD538 to 1798]. And line upon line tells you that Jesus is using the history of the destruction of Jerusalem to illustrate the 1260 years of Papal rule, and the time period of the Seven Last Plagues. Okay?

So, you have two references there to show you that.

Now, I want to deal with something that maybe you have not looked at before. I am going to skip over, because of time, the page where it says Daniel 7:25.

Daniel 7:25; 9:26-27; 12:11

"²⁵And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall war out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." Daniel 7:25 (KJV).

Daniel 7:25 is identifying this time period, the 1260 years of Papal rule.

Daniel 9:26-27:

"²⁶And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. ²⁷And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, given until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [margin: desolator]." Daniel 9:26-27 (KJV).

Daniel 9:26 and 27 is identifying the two desolating powers. The one is the prince that comes and destroys the city in Daniel 9:26; but, unto the end of the war a flood is going to take place, and Daniel 12:11³ tells us the flood is this period [the 1260 years].

"¹¹And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:11 (KJV).

So, Daniel 9:26-27 is talking about these two desolating powers.

But, I want to go back to Daniel 12:7 to close this study out and spend some time there.

Follow this. This is the one thing to follow. Follow it all, but . . .

"⁷And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished." Daniel 12:7 (KJV).

Okay. I want to know what the power of His holy people is.

Power in the Book of Daniel

2:37; 3:27; 4:30; 6:27; 8:6-7, 23-24; 11:6, 25, 43; Leviticus 26:18-19, 33-35

So, you see "Power in the Book of Daniel" in your notes. In Daniel 2:37—go to Daniel 2:37.

I will just give you a couple of these. We will not read them all.

But, in Daniel 2:37, we are looking at what power means. We want to know what the power of His holy people is. Right? Because, he is going to scatter the power of His holy people.

Daniel 2:37 says,

"³⁷Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory." Daniel 2:37 (KJV).

What I want you to see is, every time that Daniel uses power in his book, it represents the power of a king—okay?—a monarchy, a civil power every single time.

Go to Daniel 3:27.

"²⁷And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them." Daniel 3:27 (KJV).

What happened? They [Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego] had just been thrown into the burning fire by whom?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: By Nebuchadnezzar.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: The king's power had them thrown in the fire. It had no power; the king had no power.

Okay. It does not matter. You go to [Daniel], chapter 4, verse 30,

"³⁰The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty? Daniel 4:30 (KJV).

There is the king's power.

You have got all the references to power there. You look them up. You test it out and see if I am pulling your leg.

Daniel 6:27:

"²⁷He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions." Daniel 6:27 (KJV).

Daniel 8:6-7:

"⁶And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. ⁷And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand." Daniel 8:6-7 (KJV).

Daniel 8:23-24:

"²³And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. ²⁴And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people." Daniel 8:23-24 (KJV).

Daniel 11:6:

"⁶And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times." Daniel 11:6 (KJV).

Daniel 11:25:

²⁵And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him." Daniel 11:25 (KJV).

Daniel 11:43:

"⁴³But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps." (Daniel 11:43 (KJV).

Every time power is mentioned in the Book of Daniel, in one way or another it is emphasizing the power of a king. All right?

Are you with me?

So, what does that mean? What does that mean?

Well, if you go back to verse 7 of Daniel 12, which is what we are looking at now, it says, ". . . ; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished." Daniel 12:7 (KJV).

This scattering of this time, times, and an half time, what is being accomplished is that he is dealing with the power of the holy people. He has scattered the power of the holy people; therefore, he has scattered—what?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Indiscernible response.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: —civil power; kings. This is the power of a king that has been scattered, is it not?

By the context of Daniel, power represents the power of a monarchy.

Are you with me?

Okay. Go to Leviticus 26:18-19. Beginning with verse 18, it says,

"¹⁸And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. ¹⁹And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: . . ." Leviticus 26:18-19 (KJV).

Whatever this seven times is, when the seven times comes into—when it is fulfilled because Israel breaks the statutes, one of the things that happens is that He is going to break the pride of their power.

What is their power? It is a monarchy. It is their civil government. He is going to break their civil government as represented by a king; but, not simply their king; it is the pride of their power.

Now, in our last presentation or two we read a quote about Samuel thinking he was rejected when Israel rejected God and wanted a king. And in the quote that we read, which is right at the bottom of your page of notes—no.

While you are still in Leviticus, go to verses 33-35. I want you to see something. I almost passed over that.

Verse 33 is still talking about the curse that takes place when the pride of their power is broken. It says,

"³³And I will scatter you"—

He is going to scatter the power of the holy people. And part of the curse is that He is going to break the pride of their power, but He is going to scatter them in verse 33.

—"³³Ad I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. ³⁴Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies; land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths." Leviticus 26:33-34 (KJV).

And on to verse 35; we will not deal with that today.

Pride

But now, in our previous quote when we were dealing with Israel rejecting the Lord and wanting a king, Sister White says why they did so.

It says, from Patriarchs and Prophets, page 604,

"Samuel saw that their real motive was discontent and pride, and that their demand was the result of a deliberate and determined purpose. No complaint had been made against Samuel. All acknowledged the integrity and wisdom of his administration; but the aged prophet looked upon the request as a censure upon himself, and a direct effort to set him aside. He did not, however, reveal his feelings; he uttered no reproach, but carried the matter to the Lord in prayer and sought counsel from Him alone." Patriarchs and Prophets, 604.

It was their pride that wanted them to have a king.

Notice this next quote from Spirit of Prophecy, volume 1, page 355:

"But the people would not receive the advice of Samuel, and continued to demand a king. 'And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.' Here, God granted to rebellious Israel that which would prove a heavy curse to them, because they would not submit to have the Lord rule over them. They thought that it would be more honorable in the sight of other nations to have it said, The Hebrews have a king. The Lord directed Samuel to anoint Saul as king of Israel. His appearance was noble, such as would suit the pride of the children of Israel. But God gave them an exhibition of his displeasure. It was not a season of the year when they were visited with heavy rains accompanied with thunder. 'So Samuel called unto the Lord, and the Lord sent thunder and rain that day. And all the people greatly feared the Lord and Samuel. And all the people said unto Samuel, Pray for thy servants unto the Lord thy God, that we die not; for we have added unto all our sins this evil, to ask us a king.' Samuel sought to encourage the people, that although they had sinned, yet if they from that time followed the Lord, he would not forsake them, for his great name's sake. 'Moreover, as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the Lord in ceasing to pray for you; but I will teach you the good and the right way; only fear the Lord, and serve him in truth with all your heart; for consider how great things he hath done for you. But if ye shall still do wickedly, ye shall be consumed, both ye and your king.'" Spirit of Prophecy, volume 1, 355.

When the Lord is going to break the pride of their power, it means He is going to punish their king at the beginning of this seven times. Okay? Because, the power of the holy people is going to be scattered, and the power in the Book of Daniel is only a king.

Are you with me?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Affirmations.)

Nehemiah 9:32; 2 Chronicles 33:10-12; 2 Kings 21:10-16; 1 Kings 14:20-21; Deuteronomy 7:6; Daniel 8:24

Go to Nehemiah 9:32. We are almost done here.

This is in this history. They have come out of Babylon after the 70 years.

Okay. Nehemiah 9:32. Nehemiah says in Nehemiah 9:32:

"³²Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who keepest covenant and mercy, let not all the trouble seem little before thee, that hath come upon us, on our kings, on our princes, and on our priests, and on our prophets, and on our fathers, and on all thy people, since the"—what?—"since the time of the kings of Assyria unto this day." Nehemiah 9:32 (KJV).

Well, the problems that had been going on here according to God's Word, according to Nehemiah, started with the kings of Assyria.

Seven Times (2520 yrs) of the Southern Kingdom (Judah)

Seven Times (2520 yrs) of the Northern Kingdom (Ten Tribes)

723BC 677 538 1798 1844

AD66 70 1260 yrs

70 yrs How long? ( Times, Times, and ½ Time) How long?

SCATTERING TEMPLE

CIVIL POWER 46 yrs

HIS HOLY PEOPLE

TIMES OF THE GENTILES

42 MONTHS

Figure No. 169C.

The kings of Assyria: of course, we know that in 723BC, the kings of Assyria removed the Northern Kingdom out of history. Right? It scattered them! And, when it did so, it conquered the king of Israel. It broke the pride of Israel. Right?

But, then we know that the Assyrians took Manasseh captive and broke the pride of Judah's power in 677BC.

Now, there is an argument that is brought by the people that want to stay blind; and, they say, "Well, Manasseh repented."

Well, there is no argument there. You have to deal with Nehemiah. Nehemiah says in verse 32 that from the days of the Assyrian kings until this time—way down here [between the end of the 70 years and AD66]—that the kings, the princes, they have been in subjection to these Pagan powers.

So, it is here in this history [from 723BC to 677] where the price of their power was broken and scattered. Get it? It was in this history back here.

But, we are looking at Daniel 12:7, where He is going to finish the scattering of the power of the holy people in AD1798. Right?

So, go to 2 Chronicles 33:10-12. Almost done.

We should know this one. This one is enshrined upon this [1843] Chart, the starting point for the 2520.

But, beginning in verse 10, it says,

"¹⁰And the Lord spake to Manasseh, and to his people: but they would not hearken. ¹¹Wherefore the Lord brought upon them the captains of the host of the king of Assyria,"—

That is what Nehemiah said.

—"which took Manasseh among the thorns, and bound him with fetters, and carried him to Babylon. ¹²And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers." 2 Chronicles 33:10-12 (KJV).

But, it was too late. The pride of Judah's power had been broken; and, even though he had repented, he was from that point on in subjection to the Pagan kings around them, and they are still in subjection in this history [after the 70 years], when Nehemiah says, "to this very day."

The pride of their power was broken right here [677BC].

Okay. 2 Kings 21—almost finished—2 Kings 21:10-16 says,

^"10 And the Lord spake by his servants the prophets, saying, ¹¹ Because Manasseh"—

"I thought Manasseh repented" [the argument of the people that want to stay blind]?

Just follow along.

—"¹¹Because Manasseh king of Judah hath done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did, which were before him, and hath made Judah also to sin with his idols: ¹² Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. ¹³ And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down. ¹⁴ And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies; ¹⁵ Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day. ¹⁶ Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the Lord." 2 Kings 21:10-16 (KJV).

Here, the same punishment that came upon the House of Israel, this plummet [in 723BC]—which in Habakkuk's Two Tables we have already let the Bible define as the 2520—this plummet is going to be stretched over Judah. The same punishment that was placed upon the Northern Kingdom (the House of Ahab) is going to be placed upon Manasseh [Judah, the Southern Kingdom].

And the beginning point of either of these plummets is the breaking of the pride of the power.

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Amen!

BROTHER PIPPENGER: And the scattering.

So, in 1 Kings—we are almost done [smiling]—14:20-21; 1 Kings 14:20-21 says,

"²⁰And the days which Jeroboam reigned were two and twenty years: and he slept with his fathers, and Nadab his son reigned in his stead.

"²¹And Rehoboam the son of Solomon reigned in Judah. Rehoboam was forty and one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem, the city which the Lord did choose out of all the tribes of Israel, to put his name there. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess." 1 Kings 14:20-21 (KJV).

Now, here we have the story of the separation of the two kingdoms (the Southern Kingdom and the Northern Ten Tribes), and what does it tell us? That the Lord chose Jerusalem. He is choosing Jerusalem. Okay? He is not choosing the Northern Kingdom; He is choosing Jerusalem.

Go to Deuteronomy 7:6.

And you can find this throughout Moses's writings. We are going to look at one reference to make a point in closing, Deuteronomy 7:6.

What I am saying is that the Lord is specific in whom He chose. He chose Judah; He chose Jerusalem. He did not choose Jeroboam; He chose Rehoboam.

Jerusalem is what is being trampled down. It is the chosen city, all the way through.

And, verse 6 of Deuteronomy, chapter 7, says,

"⁶For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, and all people that are upon the face of the earth." Deuteronomy 7:6 (KJV).

So, the Lord chose Ancient Israel to be what?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: A special people.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: A special people; and, what were they? A holy people.

Now, we need to know this; because, in Daniel 12:7 He scattered the power of the holy people. Okay?

And what is the power of the holy people?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The king.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: The king, the king.

So, this time, times and an half time that is accomplished in 1798, what is being emphasized about it is this is the end of the scattering of the holy people and the breaking of the pride of their power.

Go to Daniel 8:24, so you can see how Daniel understands the holy people.

Daniel 8:24, speaking of Rome; and, it says,

"²⁴And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;"—

Once again, power being associated with a kingdom, a king; Rome.

"and he shall destroy wonderfully and shall prosper, and practise and shall destroy the mighty and"—

The what?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: —"the holy people." Daniel 8:24 (KJV).

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Who are the holy people?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: (Indiscernible response.)

BROTHER PIPPENGER: Okay. Now we are dealing with closing with Daniel 12:7.

Here is Palmoni (The Wonderful Numberer) on the water, lifts up His hand unto Heaven and says when the question is asked, "How long?", "it shall be for a time, times, and the dividing of time," until He has accomplished the scattering of the power of His holy people.

Well, in AD538 to 1798, who was His holy people?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: The Christian Church.

BROTHER PIPPENGER: The Christian Church.

Okay. And where was it in Christianity within this history, what was the date, that the Christian Church selected a king?

FROM THE AUDIENCE: AD538?

BROTHER PIPPENGER: They never did. They never did. The Christian Church never had a king.

So, the scattering of the power of the holy people is referencing the beginning of a time prophecy when the holy people (God's people) had a king; therefore, in verse 7 of Daniel 12 what is being referenced is not simply the time, times and an half time but the seven times that begins [723BC and ends in AD1798 for the Northern Kingdom]; and, this one [begins 677BC] and should go to here [ends in AD1844 for the Southern Kingdom].

So, Daniel 12:7, the time, times, and half a time is referencing the seven times when the kings, when the power of their pride, were broken to start the seven times scattering.

So, we are not done with verse 13 of Daniel 8.

Shall we pray?

Benediction: Heavenly Father, we want to understand that the Books of Daniel and Revelation are the same book and that they are illustrating two desolating powers that are represented by Rome in order that we can understand not only the prophetic history that you used to establish the Millerites at the beginning of Adventism but that this history would prepare us to understand the history that is unfolding on Planet Earth today. In either case, it is Rome that establishes the vision, and we need to understand who modern Rome is. We recently have a new pope placed upon the beast of Revelation 16. We see the United Nations ready to come together with the beast of Revelation 16. The Beast and the Dragon are prepared to strike; and, we see the False Prophet (the United States) preparing to push this threefold union upon the world and, once again, Rome (modern Rome) will be persecuting God's people, as it has done in past ages. We want to understand this past history to rightly divide what is taking place on Planet Earth today. So, we ask that you give us the discernment to come back upon the platform that you established at the beginning of this Movement and rightly divide the Books of Daniel and Revelation that we can be among those that are lifted up as your ensign in the near future to clarify these issues for those of your other children that are still in Babylon. We thank you for these things in Jesus's name. Amen.