and that king of the south during that time period ultimately dies and he sets his son then is heir of the throne but his son is only five years old and it says in verse 14 in those times in the times where the king of the south king the king of the south is only five years old he's very vulnerable and the king of the north is ready to retaliate against the king of the south in those times verse 14 there are so many stand up against the king of the south and the many of the Macedonian king at this time Philip of Macedonia strikes an agreement with the king of the north and says let's go in and and take the king of the south and the geographical area that's close to me I get when we conquer him the geographical area that's close to you you get so they're forming an alliance and at the same time men in Egypt that are seeing the vulnerability of the king of the south are making plans also to do away with him and usurp the throne in the king of the south so verse 14 in those times that's the times that's taking place there so many stand up people in Egypt stand up against the king of the south against this five-year-old child the king of the north stands up against him Philip of Macedonia in Confederacy with the king of the north stands up against him also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision but they shall fall now let me address just one one phrase here and then get into this first a little more fully Uriah Smith says and I and I believe it so if you look at the history Philip of Macedonia and his alliance with the king of the north to go ahead and attack the vulnerable five-year-old king of the south they ultimately fall so this last phrase could be applied to them yes they shall fall they were under discussion in this verse it could apply to them but the premier application of this to fall is that it's a characteristic of Rome Rome is here introduced for the first time in the chapter 11 as the robbers of thy people and if you look at the history of Rome you can see why the term robbers fit so well the the Italian Peninsula during that time period of history was known where a band of robbers and thieves would hide out and they would they would strike out from their base there in Italy and not only thief you know gold and booty but they were famous for stealing wives and women and they were known throughout that area as thieves and robbers and they had come from Greek basically from Greek heritage but they they were it was basically a place