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We have a testimony from Pastor Vijay in India about how this Message is going forward over there that you can read at your own leisure. It’s pretty profound. It agrees with what we understand of the times that we are living in. There’s, well, you can read it, but there’s one line, he says, there’s 46 people following who have accepted our Message with unshakable faith, and then he describes other people who want to come in and join with him in sharing this Message.
And one of the reasons that I wanted to put this out there is to give corresponding evidence on what’s happening with this Message. There’s now 123 countries around the world that are following these articles, and they are translated into 58 different languages around the world. And one of the things that Clayton and I had planned on, or understood to be a way that we would broaden the effect of these articles as we move forward, is I had hoped to get a very good question and answer dialogue going on for each of the articles.
So what I’m asking of those people that are listening to this Zoom meeting, and of all the people that might be listening to this Zoom meeting, I’m sure that not everyone is reading the articles faithfully, maybe some, not at all, some slowly, some quickly, whatever. But Clayton and I essentially have two people outside that are helping us with copy editing these articles, and checking for things that I may be saying a little bit off.
Anyway, what I’m hoping is that those of you that are following these articles, that are listening to this Zoom meeting, will accept the responsibility to go back through these articles and begin sending in questions. And we are going to screen the questions. If someone sends in a question that’s just totally off-topic, or promoting some other concept, we are not even going to allow it to be placed.
But many times the question and answer periods at meetings, or even in this situation, are more informative than the actual presentation. And my concern is that we have now 123 countries around the world, and we have no idea how many of them are familiar with the general Message of Future for America through the years, whereas I assume that most of us that are on this Zoom meeting are fairly familiar with the biblical principles that we use to look at prophecy.
And a “question-and-answer” dialogue with these various articles couldn’t do anything but make them more effective, I’m positive. The way that we should do it. I can’t even explain it because I’m not part of the process of getting these articles onto the website. I just write it and give it to my son Clayton, and then he has the process of copy editing and doing things with it, and then translating it into different languages.
So for our morning worship every day, he and I are going through these articles, but because of this process, we are way behind. I’m writing on 201 right now, and what we are reading for morning worship is 145. So we are 55 articles behind what is available on the internet.
But the point is, as I’m going through these articles each morning, invariably I see things in these articles that I had forgotten that I had written as I was writing that particular article. Something would open up to me, and I knew that it was correct, so I put it in the article and moved on. But the time period when I wrote number 145 was a long time ago.
So as I’m reading through 145 in the morning with my son, I’m seeing things in there. I’m being reminded of things that I had seen maybe for the first time. I put it in an article and I moved on. And my point is that I’m sure that there are issues that I have raised in these articles that I never finalized, that I prepared the way to make a point about this issue or that issue, and in the flow of events, I just never got back to it.
So I’m asking that those of you that are understanding the significance of these articles, and the work that they’re now beginning to accomplish around planet Earth, that maybe you could take the time and go back through the articles and read one. And if you see that, if something’s unclear, ask for clarity. Or if you see an opportunity to send me a softball question, and by that I mean a question that you know the answer for, but you think maybe I wasn’t strong enough in putting that answer into the article, it’ll give me opportunity to broaden it.
We would like to get these articles to where they’re as effective as they possibly can be. And the “question-and-answer” dialogue on the website has always been our plan for accomplishing that, more than these Zoom meetings, because we know there’s many people that can’t access the Zoom meeting just because of the technical part, some because of the language part, whatever. But they can access the website, and that may very well be the place they need to really learn this message.
Okay. I was kind of concerned about Pastor Vijay’s testimony, that I might be getting him in trouble. People that get associated with Future for America sometimes get some pressure that they weren’t expecting. But I think time is short, and we are probably going to have to go forward with this message. And that is kind of what this particular article is about.
In your notes, if you drop down to Isaiah, after Pastor Vijay signs off, if you drop down to where it says Isaiah 11:10 through 13, this would be the point of reference for this discussion.
Isaiah 11, verse 10 says, “And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people. To it shall the Gentiles seek, and His rest shall be glorious. And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, which shall be left from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off. Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.”
This is clearly a passage about the end of the world. All the prophets are speaking about the end of the world. But speaking of “the ensign” that gets lifted up in this passage, there is a prophetic Waymark that is identified, that the Lord sets His hand again “a second time” to recover His people. And this work of a “second”, of stretching out of His hand “a second time”, took place in the time of Christ. It took place in the history of the first and second angels’ messages. And I’m saying that the history of the first and second angels’ messages is 1798 to 1844. And it also took place in the history of the third angel’s message, which I’m identifying as 1844 to 1863.
And in those three witnesses; the time of Christ, the history of 1798 to 1844 (which is the history of the first and second angels), and the history of the third angel from 1844 to 1863, those three witnesses are identifying the perfect fulfillment of the Lord stretching forth His hand “a second time” to gather His remnant that will be “the ensign” that is lifted up. And I’m identifying that the Lord gathering together His people for “a second time” began in July of 2023.
And that this particular truth about Him gathering His people “a second time” is identifying “a testing process” for His people. And it is another illustration of “the great test” for the people of God, which is the Image of the Beast test.
But it would be worth looking at the three witnesses to understand where we are at today, because I think we are on the verge of many of us failing this test.
In the history of Christ, in the history of the Millerites to 1844, and the Millerites from 1844 to 1863, we have three Lines that identify a very technical sequence of events associated with “the gathering time”.
Christ began to gather His disciples at His baptism, and the very first disciples that He brought into His ministry, which had formerly been disciples of John the Baptist, Sister White identifies as the beginning of the “foundation” of the Christian Church. He gathered together a group of believers beginning at His baptism, but then at the cross, they were “scattered”. These are the Waymarks in this sequence that are laid out in the “second scattering”.
After the cross, once He resurrected, ascended to His Father, and returned, He began “gathering” His people “a second time”. And the gathering a second time in the history of Christ is very specific. When He returned from His Father (the process of gathering, whether He introduces Himself to the disciples on the road to Emmaus, or He meets with the disciples in the upper room), He stays with them 40 days teaching them, and then He leaves and they have 10 days of being unified until they come to Pentecost, where they’re baptized in the Holy Spirit.
So you can take this whole period from Christ’s baptism until Pentecost, and you can treat it as one period of time because the Holy Spirit came down at Christ’s baptism. and the Holy Spirit came down at Pentecost when the disciples were baptized in the Holy Spirit. And the illustration of His baptism is an illustration of His death and resurrection, which is in the middle of this history, and it’s the cross.
So you have three Waymarks, which is a signature of “Truth” that are all speaking to several truths. But what I’m wanting you to see is that it’s an outline for the “second gathering”. He began to gather a group of people at His baptism. Then they were scattered at the cross. After His resurrection, He began to stretch forth His hand “a second time” to gather the remnant of His people.
Then there is a period of 40 days of instruction where He’s opening to them the scriptures that they didn’t have the ability to understand before the cross. And then at the end of the 40 days, He disappears out of their sight. And for 10 days, they come into unity until the day of Pentecost, when they begin preaching the message.
I have a little bit more to say about that history. But what I’m saying is that if you were to take that basic structure in the history of the first and second angels’ messages, the Lord began to gather a people on August 11, 1840. And then on April 19th, 1844, they were “scattered” at the First Disappointment. And before the Great Disappointment, a group of those were “gathered” together that were going to be the “Wise Virgins” that followed in by faith into the Most Holy Place.
In that history, from April 19th, which is the First Disappointment, it’s the scattering that would align with the cross. And there began the Tarrying Time in the Millerite history. And the Tarrying Time is the time when they were to understand where they were in the prophecy of the parable of the 10 virgins in Habakkuk chapter two. And when they reached the Exeter Campmeeting on August 12th, 1844, they had reached the point that aligns with the 10 days that precedes Pentecost.
At the Exeter Campmeeting, the brethren that were there were brought into “unity”. That’s one of the significant facts, …that there was a counterfeit tent taking place at the Exeter Campmeeting. The brethren from Watertown, that were wrapped up in an emotional experience without any “Thus sayeth the Lord”, were on that campground. But in the tent where Samuel Snow was presenting His message, the faithful of that history were coming into “unity”. And when the Campmeeting ended on August 17th, 1844, then, they, over the next few weeks, they [the unified ones ]carried the Midnight Cry message to the Eastern United States like a tidal wave, paralleling the work that was accomplished at Pentecost.
So what I’m saying is the 40 days of Christ’s [post resurrection] history aligns with the Tarrying Time in the history of the Millerites. And then when Christ returned to heaven the 10 days that were left before Pentecost is corresponding to the time that they were at the Exeter Campmeeting coming into unity of message. And Pentecost aligns with the Midnight Cry. That structure can also be shown in 1844 to 1863. But in that history, it’s an illustration of a disobedient group of people. Whereas the Millerite history from 1798 to 1844 is an illustration of “a second gathering” of the faithful.
1844 to 1863 is the Lord attempting to gather His people a second time, but they were unfaithful. Those three witnesses are speaking to the disappointment of July 18th, 2020 aligning with the disappointment of April 19th, 1844, and aligning with the disappointment of the cross.
And then there is a period of time where the Lord is,… (there’s several Lines on what He’s doing), but He’s stretching forth His hand “again” to gather the remnant of His people that are going to be lifted up as “the ensign”. And this is the perfect fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy of a “second gathering” that is “the ensign”.
That work of the second gathering began in July, 2023, in earnest, He’s now gathering His people. But when the Sunday law comes, Pentecost is repeated. The Midnight Cry of the Millerite time period before 1844 is repeated, but it’s too late when the Midnight Cry message arrives… Too late. You either have accepted it, been transformed by it, or you’re going to have “no oil”.
So what I’m saying is, we are now approaching the Sunday law, which is off in the near future. We are in a period that has been illustrated by the 40 days after the cross. We are in a period that has been illustrated by the Tarrying Time of Millerite history before 1844. We are in the history of 1844 to 1856 in the third witness.
And we are approaching the period where we are going to have “10 days in the upper room”. We are going to go to the Exeter camp meeting (or we are going to repeat 1856 to 1863 if we are on the wrong side of the issue). We are going to be brought into unity or we are going to be separated from those that are unified.
So if you have your Bible (I’m leaving this article for you to read. I’m not going to read from the article. I’m just talking about the article.) There are a couple of quotes in it that I will use, but I’m going to go to Isaiah 10:1.
Isaiah 10:1 says, “Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees and that write grievousnesses which they have prescribed.” And Sister White’s clear that this is the Sunday law. With what we understand about Islam of the Third Woe, when verse one of Isaiah 10 is the Sunday law, it says, “Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees”, it’s talking about Islam striking the United States. It’s at the Sunday law, but that isn’t my point.
My point is just that, when you get to chapter 11, you need to realize you’re in the same vision. It’s in the Sunday law time-period. And in verse 12 of Isaiah 10, after the Sunday law is introduced (and Isaiah 10 is pretty much a description of how the Lord is using the papacy to bring judgment upon the world and then how the Lord is going to judge the papacy).
But in verse 12 of Isaiah 10, it says, “Wherefore it shall come to pass that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the King of Assyria and the glory of his high looks.” And the King of Assyria is the King of the North. It’s the papacy at the end of the world. And the judgment of the papacy begins at the Sunday law.
Keep your finger in Isaiah and go back to Revelation, chapter 18, verse four, and this is well documented in these articles, and this is commonly understood by many of us (if not all of us) that are involved with this Zoom meeting…
In Revelation 18, there’s two “voices”. The first “voice” is of verses one through three, and Sister White says, it was fulfilled when “the great buildings of New York City” came down. And then in verse four, John hears “another voice”. He says, “And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “‘Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins and that you receive not of her plagues.'” If you take the expression, “Come out of her, my people”, and run it through the Spirit of Prophecy [CD-ROM], it’s easy to see that this is the Sunday law. This is when the call out of Babylon goes forth.
But in verse five, it says, “‘For her sins have reached into heaven and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you and double under her double according to her works, and the cup which she has filled, filled to her double. How much she hath glorified herself and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her, for she saith in her heart, I said a queen and no widow and shall see no sorrow. Therefore her plagues come in one day.'”
The point is, is that the judgment on the papacy is a progressive judgment that begins at the Sunday law. As the papacy is attempting to take control of the world, everything’s going to be falling apart around the Pope, and the threefold union, and the chaos is just going to continue to escalate.
So if you return back to Isaiah chapter 10, which begins in verse one with the Sunday law, verse 12 says, again, “‘Wherefore it shall come to pass that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria.'” The punishment of the king of Assyria, his stout heart, is the punishment of the papacy that begins at the Sunday law, which is verse one of Isaiah 10 (this is verse 12).
But that doesn’t happen until the Lord has finished, performed His “whole work” on Mount Zion and Jerusalem, and His “whole work” is the sealing of the 144,000. It’s the combination of divinity with humanity that takes place in advance of the Sunday law, because at the Sunday law, then the 144,000 are lifted up as “an ensign”.
So now, with that context, chapter 10 of Isaiah (it’s the same vision in verse one of chapter 11), it’s continuing on with the narrative about the Sunday law time-period and the work of developing the 144,000. And in verse one of chapter 11, it says, “‘Then there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse and a branch shall grow out of his roots, and the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord, and shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord. And he shall not judge after the sight of the eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.”
So it’s in this context of the Lord raising up a people to be His “ensign”, that when you get to verse 10 of chapter 11, which is where we started this, “And in that day”, in the Sunday law time-period, “there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people. To it shall the Gentiles seek, and his rest shall be glorious. And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left from Assyria and from Egypt…”
Before the Sunday law, as the Lord is finishing, performing His “whole work” on Mount Zion and Jerusalem, the Lord sets His hand “a second time” to gather the remnant that will be “the ensign” that will be used to call God’s other people out of Babylon.
So if you return to your notes, we can just focus on a couple of thoughts from verses 10 to 13. The “ensign” that is “the root of Jesse” is the 144,000, but the 144,000 perfectly reflect the character of Christ. They are a symbol of Christ and His righteousness. So they’re pretty much interchangeable at some levels in the prophetic narrative. But He sets up “an ensign” for the nations, and they’re “the outcasts of Israel”. And He gathers together “the dispersed of Judah” from the four corners of the earth.
Right now, 123 countries are following these articles.
And then it says, “The envy also of Ephraim shall depart and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off. Ephraim shall not envy Judah and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.” This reference comes from the story of Gideon. The only place you’re going to find it in the Bible is in Gideon and in Isaiah. And it’s bringing the testimony of Gideon and His 300 (which are a symbol of the 144,000) into focus. And it’s emphasizing that part of the development of the 144,000 is a “unity” that takes place among those people, as took place among the disciples in the 10 days that preceded Pentecost, and as took place among the Millerite “Wise Virgins” at the Exeter Campmeeting in August of 1844.
So in your notes, I’m going to jump forward to a quote from early writing, page 237. It’s further on in your notes, probably halfway through. In the notes from Review and Herald, March 19th, 1895 (this isn’t the one I was looking for, but I’ll deal with this now because I see it).
“Just as trials are to come upon God’s people and tares are to be separated from the wheat, but let not Ephraim envy Judah any more, and Judah will no more vex Ephraim. Kind, tender, compassionate words will flow out from sanctified hearts and lips. It is essential that we be united, and if we all seek meekness and the lowliness of Christ, we shall have the mind of Christ, and there will be unity of spirit.”
Sister White has taken this phrase from Isaiah chapter 11, and she’s defined it (as I was saying), as a symbol of the “unity” that comes into the movement at the very time (in the context of what Sister White says), at the very time when the wheat are being separated from the tares, which is what I’m trying to get to at this point, is that we are at that point in time.
Almost on the last page of the notes, from Early Writings. (This is the one I was initially hunting for), and the reason I didn’t find it is because I’ve taken it from Review and Herald, November 1st, 1850, but this can also be a similar statement that this can be found in Early Writings, but in 1849 is when this was written, and it’s printed November 1850, even if you want to mark it as 1850, because it was printed in Review and Herald, then I’m not arguing that, but it was actually written in ‘49, from my understanding.
It says, “September 23rd, the Lord showed me that he had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time.”
So what I’m saying here is that in 1849, which is the history, I’m saying 1844 to 1863, it’s a period of history that manifests “rebellion”, until “the second gathering”, but in that history, in 1849, Sister White identifies that the Lord has stretched forth His hand “a second time” to gather the remnant of His people, and the purpose for Him doing that was to “lift up an ensign” to the nations because the Sunday Law was about to happen, and to bring them into “unity”, but of course, it didn’t happen in that history. They went the wrong direction there. (So let me finish this quote, and then go back to what we are talking about.)
“September 23rd, the Lord showed me that he had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering time, Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time, God will heal and bind up His people.”
But when she says, “He’ll bind up His people”, I know that that can be understood as taking a bandage and binding someone up that’s hurting, but it’s in this time-period, where the wheat and tares are both being “bound”, one for the fires of destruction and one for the heavenly garner. So He’s “binding up” His people, and He’s binding them into “unity”.
“In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing. But in the gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was a shame to refer to this scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering, for if God does no more for us now than he did then, Israel would never be gathered. It is as necessary that the truth should be published in a paper as preached.”
So in that history, 1849, they’re going to begin printing initially what was called “The Present Truth”, but shortly thereafter it was changed to “Sabbath Review and Advent Herald”, and they’re going to preach the message, and they’re going to be producing the second of the two Charts that were a fulfillment of Habakkuk chapter two.
So the characteristics of “a second gathering” are, a people that have been “scattered”, but the people that are scattered had been previously “gathered”. The Millerites were gathered on August 11th, 1840, when the time-prophecies that Miller was preaching were fulfilled in front of people’s eyes. There was a group of people “gathered” that were on their way to the First Disappointment on April 19th, where they were “scattered”.
By that point in their history, when they woke up that they were in the Tarrying Time, that the vision had tarried, but it was going to “speak” at the end, that they needed to return to their former zealous attitude. There was some, not all, that woke up and began to present the second angel’s message, the call out of Babylon, and receive the preparation to go to the Campmeeting in Exeter where Samuel Snow was going to open up the clarification of the First Disappointment, and they were going to repeat Pentecost when they left that Campmeeting.
And the message would go like a tidal wave until there was a [second] “scattering”, a “Great Disappointment”. The group that was gathered in that history, the group that was gathered from the First Disappointment, when the majority left the movement, and then what was left was wise and foolish Millerites, some could not muster the spiritual strength to get fully back on board.
Those that were at the Exeter Campmeeting at the right tent, listening to the correct message, were brought into unity, and then they proclaimed the message that had been typified by Pentecost, but they were [Greatly] Disappointed. Just as the second angel had arrived on April 19th, 1844, when the third angel arrived on October 22nd, 1844, there was once again a disappointment and a scattering.
And five years later, Sister White was saying that there was a second gathering [in progress]. The second gathering was those that were gathered on October 22nd, 1844, and went by faith into the Most Holy Place with Christ, and began to be educated on the light of the heavenly sanctuary and all the truths connected with it. They entered into a process of education, just as did the disciples for 40 days enter into a process of education, and clarification of the message that they had been given.
By 1849, the scattered flock of those that had entered into the Most Holy Place on October 22nd, 1844, the Lord was then attempting to gather them a second time, and by 1851, the 1850 Chart was produced.
And I mentioned in the Chart again, because the Chart in that history, the 1850 Chart, or in the previous history of the first and second angels’ messages, the 1843 Chart, both of those are a fulfillment of Habakkuk 2, and they both represent a debate, a test, the testing process that when you reach the end, there are two classes manifested.
And so now let’s go back. (That was kind of an overview of these three histories that illustrate our history.) And I want to go back to the history of Christ and just walk through it. So hopefully you can follow the structure of “a second gathering”. I pointed out that in the history of Christ, you have a complete Line with a beginning and an ending; of the baptism of Christ when the Holy Spirit comes down, and an ending when the Holy Spirit comes down at Pentecost. And in the middle of that period, you have the signature of “Truth” because you have the “rebellion” of the cross.
And all of these three Waymarks, the Baptism, the Cross, Pentecost, they’re the same history. They’re the three letters of the Hebrew alphabet in that history, and the middle one is representing “rebellion”. When Jesus was baptized, He immediately went out into the wilderness to be tested of the devil for 40 days. And the baptism of Christ aligns at this prophetic level with His death and resurrection. The baptism of Christ symbolized His death and resurrection. And at the cross with His death and resurrection.
He came back to the disciples and He spent 40 days instructing them. And that 40 days had been typified by the 40 days that Christ was in the wilderness. And Christ was in the wilderness being “tested”. And this is one of the main points I’m trying to drive home right now is that we are now in a “testing” process that is very clearly and specifically marked out in prophecy.
And our testing process (as with all testing processes in the scriptures, at one level), is in three steps. And of course, Satan tempted Christ on appetite, presumption and pride. Those three tests are all there. But the bottom line of that 40 days that Christ was fasting, He was dealing with where Adam fell from appetite. Christ summarized the whole 40 days by saying, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.” That 40 days is representing a testing period.
And the test is connected with the Word of God. So when you get to the 40 days after the cross, when the disciples were being instructed by Christ of the prophecies of Himself from Moses onward, the instruction of that history or the testing of that history, if I can say it, if you can see it, had to do with His Prophetic Word, the unsealing of His Prophetic Word.
You’ll notice that even in that history of 40 days, it has a beginning and an ending, because the “instruction period” begins in the gospels when Jesus appears with the disciples on the road to Emmaus and He walks with them, He goes in, and He eats with them. He began instructing them on why the cross was the fulfillment of prophecy, that it had to happen. And as soon as they wake up to who He is, He disappears out of their sight. 40 days later, after He had begun this time-period of instruction, He’s ready to return to heaven. And once again, He disappears out of their sight.
So when it comes to a history that I’m labeling as “the second gathering”, there is a period at the beginning that begins at the Disappointment. For us, it would begin on July 18th, 2020. There’s a period of time that is designed by God to instruct His people on the prophecy, the Present Truth prophecies of that time period, and it’s a three-step testing process because Christ illustrated that in His temptations in the wilderness; pride, presumption, appetite.
And it’s an unsealing of the Prophetic Word as represented by the disciples during the 40 days. And it’s the unsealing of the truth that Samuel Snow was being led to understand from the First Disappointment on April 19th, 1844, until you get to the Exeter Campmeeting on August 12th, 1844. That period of time is an unsealing of the Prophetic Message, allowing them to accurately mark the date when the 2300 years would conclude.
And then when they get to the Exeter Campmeeting, they have got to the 10 days that preceded Pentecost and the “unity” of Ephraim not vexing Judah and Judah not vexing Ephraim that Isaiah addresses in Isaiah 11, in the period when the Lord stretches forth His hand “a second time”, in the period where He’s raising up “an ensign” to call the nations. And that ensign is being brought from “the root of David”.
Those histories are aligning and they are addressing our history beginning on July 18th, 2020, until the point in time where we are brought together into “unity”. There’s a period where there will be a unification that takes place that will end at the Sunday law when “the ensign” is lifted up.
But what I’m hoping we’ll see is that in the history that is being illustrated, that we are living in now, we are in a testing time, and the test has to do with the Prophetic Word.
The illustration of those of us that are going to fail the test is illustrated from 1844 to 1863. In that history, in 1848, Sister White had defined “the angering of the nations” that was going on in the nations of Europe at that time period, as the Lord “shaking the earth”. Her definition allows us to see that, based upon the history of 1848, that what was shaking the nations of Europe in 1848, was Islam. It was what was “angering the nations”.
And in 1849, Sister White makes this comment, she says “The Lord is stretching forth His hand a second time.” What I’m wanting us to see, is that in this time period when the Lord is gathering His people a second time, that Islam is in the background, it’s active, it’s part of the story.
When Sister White speaks of the message of the Midnight Cry that the Millerites proclaimed from August 17th to October 22nd, 1844, for those couple of months, she aligns that with the Triumphal Entry of Christ into Jerusalem. And the only time that Christ ever rode an animal in His life was when He rode that “ass” into Jerusalem in the Triumphal Entry.
And Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and if you go to Genesis 49 where we see the prophecies of Jacob’s 12 sons set forth, Judah can’t be separated from the “ass” of Bible prophecy. In Genesis 49 verse 8 it says, “Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise.” (And let me go back here where there’s a statement where this whole presentation of the 12 sons is, it’s verse 1 of Genesis 49.) “And Jacob called unto his sons and said, gather yourselves together that I may tell you which shall befall you in the last days.”
As the prophecies are placed upon his 12 sons here in Genesis 49, it’s identifying God’s people in the last days, and Judah is the symbol of Christ, and it would be the symbol of the 144,000. But it would also, in verse 1, be specifically addressing the “final gathering”. Jacob calls and says, gather yourselves together that I may tell you what’s going to take place in the last days.
And in verse 8 of Genesis 49 it says, “Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise. Thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies, thy father’s children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion’s whelp, (Christ is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Judah is the lion’s whelp). “From the prey, my son, thou art gone up. He stooped down, he couched as an old lion. Who shall rouse him? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”
The story of Judah and Shiloh is the story of the gathering, and that’s what we are speaking of now. It’s the “second gathering” of God’s people that are used to gather those outside, the other flock that are called out of Babylon.
Verse 11, “…binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice’s vine, he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes. his eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.” From the very beginning, in the first reference of Judah, he’s bound to the “ass”. The “ass” of Bible prophecy is Islam. When Jesus comes to Jerusalem riding an ass, it is the “message of the ass” that is carrying Christ, and “the message of the ass” is the message of Islam.
So in 1848, when Sister White identifies “the angering of the nations” as the “shaking of the earth in the nations of Europe” that’s being brought about by Islam, we find that, in the history of Christ, and in the history of 1844 to 1863, two direct references that the message at the end of the world, the message that we are living in now, is set within the context of the activities of Islam. Its part of the test to be able to see that.
But for some reason, the formerly faithful Millerites in the history of 1844 to 1863, they lost their way. And they ended up repeating the first Kadesh, which brought about their dying in the wilderness over 40 years. It brings about the Seventh-day Adventist Church “dying in the wilderness” and being “spewed out” of the mouth of the Lord.
Selected Messages, book one, page 68 and 69, says this, “…but in the period of doubt and uncertainty that followed the disappointment, many of the Advent believers yielded their faith. Dissensions and divisions came in,…” and when Sister White says “many” of the Advent believers, it’s always good to remember this, it’s a contrast. “Many are called, but few chosen.”
The people that moved into the Most Holy Place in 1844 with Christ, many of them yielded their faith, and only a few didn’t. “Dissensions and divisions came in, thus the work was hindered and the world was left in darkness. Had the whole Adventist body united upon the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, how widely different would it have been our history. It was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be thus delayed. God did not design that His people, Israel, should wander 40 years in the wilderness. He promised to lead them directly to the land of Canaan and establish in there a holy, healthy, happy people. But those to whom it was first preached went not in because of unbelief. Their hearts were filled with murmuring, rebellion, and hatred, and he could not fulfill His covenant with them. For 40 years did unbelief, murmuring, and rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canaan. The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into heavenly Canaan. In neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldLiness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord’s professed people that has kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so many years.”
So the “few” that were faithful post-1844 heading to 1863 were not enough to hold back the condition of Laodicea that settled upon that movement by 1856. And in 1856 the Lord delivered the “Laodicean message”, and it was delivered at the same time that the new light of the “Seven Times” of Leviticus 26 was delivered in a series of articles in the Review and Herald in 1856.
In January 1851, you could begin buying the Chart that had been prepared in 1850, and that Chart was the fulfillment of Habakkuk 2. But Habakkuk 2 identifies the debate. The watchman on the walls is waiting to see what he will answer when he’s argued with, and the answer is, “Write the vision and make it plain.”
The prophetic logic is that when that Chart came out in 1850, 1851, in that history, that there was a debate over some of the truths, or a truth, on that Chart, and by 1856 they no longer could appreciate the truth of the 2520 on that Chart, and seven years later in 1863 they directly rejected that truth.
Now that truth, the “Seven Times”, was the first truth that Miller had understood, and it was the truth that was fulfilled on October 22nd, 1844.
And I had a comment, an email from someone, and I don’t agree with their logic, but I’ll tell you what it was. They were making the case that when I identified that the 2520 against Judah ended in 1844, that it actually ended on October 22nd, 1844, at the very same time the 2300-year time prophecy concluded.
When I make that argument, then I take the next step, and that is that the 2520 is the symbol of the Jubilee, and therefore at that point you have the Jubilee Trumpet as well as the Seventh Trumpet being sounded, because on October 22nd, 1844, the Seventh Trumpet, according to Revelation chapter 10, began to sound, the time period when the “mystery of God would be finished”.
And I argue that there were two Trumpets that began to sound then. One is the Jubilee Trumpet, and one is the Third Woe, the Seventh Trumpet, and their argument was that I don’t have the biblical justification for placing the Jubilee Trumpet at that point in time, simply because the Jubilee Trumpet was to be blown on the Day of Atonement.
Their argument is that you really can’t identify from Jubilee cycles whether or not 1844 was really the conclusion of a Jubilee cycle. My argument is that I’m not worried about the Jubilee cycle. We are told that on October 22nd, 1844, the antitypical Day of Atonement began, and at that level there is only one Day of Atonement. It’s the time of judgment. It may be a hundred plus years, but we’ve been living in the antitypical Day of Atonement since October 22nd, 1844.
Therefore, the only time at the end of the world that the Jubilee Trumpet could be blown on the Day of Atonement would be on October 22nd, 1844, and that’s where the 2520 against Judah concluded, along with the 2300 years.
So at that level, the faithful, from the history of the first and second angels’ message, the wise virgins that had proclaimed the Midnight Cry message after they left the Exeter Campmeeting, those wise virgins that were scattered by the Great Disappointment of October 22nd, 1844, but who also had been led into the Most Holy Place, where the light of everything connected with Christ’s High Priestly sanctuary work, the law, the Sabbath, the third angel, everything that’s associated with the unsealing of that truth of the heavenly sanctuary, began their educational process that was typified by the 40 days of the disciples. And in that educational process, by 1848, it is noted that Islam is in the background angering the nations of Europe.
By 1849, the Lord was “stretching forth His hand a second time” to gather His people. And by 1850, you’ve got the debate of Habakkuk 2 coming into that group of people, they’re beginning to debate something on that Chart, and I think we understand that it was the “Seven Times”. Then by 1856, Christ is no longer in their hearts, He’s outside knocking on their hearts for entrance. They’re in the Laodicean condition.
At that level, the history of 1844 to 1863 is identifying that what was unsealed on October 22, 1844, was the Sabbath Commandment, and their testing period, their educational period, was to reach its conclusion in 1856, and the issue was right where it started. It was the Sabbath Commandment, because the “Sabbath Commandment for the land” is the 2520, and the Sabbath commandment for man is the Fourth Commandment that’s in the Most Holy Place.
This period of 1844 to 1856 begins with the opening of the light of the Sabbath, the seventh-DAY Sabbath, and it ends with the opening of the light of the seventh-YEAR Sabbath. And it also ends representing the first truth that Miller understood, and it brings us to July 2023, when the “Seven Times”, the light of the “Seven Times”, is once again opened up.
From 1856 to 1863, the testing process, the educational process, and the prophetic instruction that was to be given to the Millerites post-1844 had not succeeded. Had it succeeded, from 1856 to 1863 would have been a period of time where that group of people was brought into such “unity” that they could have become “the ensign” that was to be lifted up at the Sunday Law that was to take place in 1863.
And don’t ask me how all those prophetic issues could come to pass at that point. It’s beyond my comprehension. But it’s there in the prophetic record.
Sister White says, had they followed on by faith, they would have been in heaven “ere this”. They repeated the history of the first Kadesh. And the first Kadesh was the rebellion against the message of Joshua and Caleb, and the acceptance of the testimony of the ten foolish spies and a desire to return to Egypt. And that is what happened in 1863.
And on September 11th, 2001, the Lord returned His people to the arrival of the third angel all over again. The third angel had arrived in 1989, but now it is repeating the testing process. And on September 11th, 2001, the voice of the angel of Revelation 18 came down, verses 1 through 3, and there was a group of people that gathered around that Message and began to be put in place as the foundational work of that history.
But they were destined to be scattered on July 18th, 2020, and were therefore of necessity to be “gathered a second time” after that Disappointment. It’s progressive, it’s a process, but the gathering began in earnest in July 2023. And it is a testing process that requires that those of us that are believing these things come into “unity”, and our unity has to be based on an individual ability to understand these prophetic truths.
What I’m saying is, until you internalize the fact that we are now in a prophetic testing process, then you may not be able to recognize the significance of the first 15 verses of Daniel 11. The first 15 verses of Daniel 11 is like the Final Test for students that have been studying at a school of prophecy, and they’re required to understand what those first 15 verses in Daniel 11 represent, and how they align with verse 40 of Daniel 11. If they can’t do that personally, individually, they’re failing the test.
And I’m wanting us to understand that the subject of the “second gathering” is emphasizing that we are now in the history of a prophetic testing process, and that its no longer, ….(I’ll just say it straightly), I’ve been in this Movement for a long time, and I’ve become familiar with lots of persons who have been involved with this Movement, and I’ve formed my own understanding of why they were in the Movement. It might be flawed. I’m not trying to judge anyone, but there are some categories out there.
There’s always categories of, “Well, I’m listening to this because my husband or my wife really likes it, so I have to be there.” There’s some people that can listen or read the presentations and in their hearts say, “Amen, this is the message”, but if they were asked to teach that message on their own, they couldn’t do it. The message simply gives them some kind of satisfaction, a good feeling that they’re reading the truth, but they haven’t assented to the ability to teach it, and that’s where the people that left the Exeter Campmeeting were at. That’s where the people at Pentecost were at [they were able to teach it].
And there’s no doubt that the Holy Spirit is going to perform miracles in the work that’s accomplished when God’s other children are called out of Babylon, but we only get to participate in that miraculous time period if we do our due diligence in becoming proficient in recognizing this Message.
What I’m saying is, this Message that we need to understand, it’s been very simply laid forth in these articles. The principles, the new light for this time, it’s there, and it’s teaching us that we have a responsibility to recognize that the only Message ….(and this is another category of people that I have come in contact with), I’ve known people that come to the meetings and say “Amen” at the meetings, but they have their own particular ministry that they’re doing, and they’re convicted that the Lord has led them to be doing this ministry, so even though they’re blessed by listening to this Message, when the message is over, they go and return to whatever ministry that they’re convicted they were supposed to be doing, and they don’t understand that this particular Message is the final warning Message…, and it is the only Message that can justifiably be proclaimed to mankind, for mankind is about to close their probation and die, and this is the Message that they must see.
We are being tested at this time to see if we are willing to participate in the personal work of making this Message our own and carrying it to the world.
I think I’ve said enough. If you read through this article that isn’t fully copyedited yet, you’ll get an overview of some of the thoughts that I’ve just put out here.
I’m convinced that the Lord showed us, years ago, that the great test for the people of God was the formation of the Image of the Beast. God’s people had to see Church and State coming together in the United States if they were going to be awakened and prepared for the crisis of the Sunday Law.
I now understand that that is just the surface of that test. The real test of the formation of the Image of the Beast, “the one by which our eternal destiny will be decided”, is not simply the combination of Church and State coming together in the United States and thereafter in the world. The real test is our ability to see how the Lion of the Tribe of Judah illustrates the combination of Church and State through His Prophetic Word.
We have to see the formation of this truth in His Prophetic Word if we are going to pass the test. We have to understand that this Message is Christ, and it’s more than simply the political struggle in the “external” world around us. It’s more about the “internal” revelation that comes from the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy that clearly teaches that probation is about to close, and that we must begin to warn those around us of that fact.
So I’ll close with prayer, and then I’m just taking it, by past experience…, and then we can take a five-minute break and come back and handle a few questions.
Heavenly Father, we thank You for this Sabbath day. We thank You for the time that we’ve had to share. Thank You for the nations around the world that are connecting with these messages. We pray that You would empower Pastor Vijay to accomplish a wonderful work in India, a profound work, and that You would protect him from the resistance that he is going to get, as we all will as we begin to proclaim this Message. Thank You for his willingness to be public about his work, and we ask a blessing on the rest of these Sabbath hours in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Moderator: Amen. So I will set a timer for five minutes. We can take a break, and then we’ll come back, and Elder Jeff will answer questions that anyone has.
Question:
Steve.
This is Steve, I have not so much a question as an observation. Brother Jeff, when you were talking about Christ in the wilderness for the 40 days His first test was on appetite, where Adam failed, and then in the 40 days with the disciples, the first thing He does on the road to Emmaus is go through the prophecies and they have to spiritually eat and drink that to understand everything that they were misunderstanding.
So I see the correlation for us today is that these messages are something that we need to eat and drink right now, so it’s really a spiritual appetite that we need to have, a priority of understanding this. Am I making the right assumption or…?
Jeff: That’s how I understand it.
Steve:
Okay, well, that’s how I was perceiving it, that’s what I was getting from your message today, is that whatever we are doing, these articles have to be priority, on the top of the list, and because we have an opportunity right now to be prepared to share this with the world and there’s no time left.
Jeff: I agree.
Steve: Yeah, anyway thank you so much for the presentation today.
Moderator: Carolyn, you’re next.
Question:
Brother Jeff, thank you so much I have, not questions, but if I can get you to expand a little bit for somebody that is listening to the message and don’t fully understand, and the two points that I have for you to expand on; you had said, “and we know the message is carried by Islam”, so somebody that doesn’t understand that, if you can explain that point.
And the other point is, if you can explain, you said, “and we know the third Angel arrived in 1989.” For somebody that doesn’t understand how an angel “arrives”, but its not known, then it’s “empowered”. Somebody might say, Okay how come the third Angel’s message “arrives”. Where’s the first, where’s the second? So if you can please expand on those for us. Your opening comment was, “if we write in questions it might help somebody to understand a little bit clearer”, so please, and thank you.
Jeff:
Okay you’re not going to believe this, its bad on me and all, but remind me, what your question is like, the first one, was.
Questioner:
You had said that “Islam carries the message”, and not everyone might understand that’s how it’s expressed.
Jeff:
All right, how to answer that, I know how to answer that, or at least I know how I would answer that, but I’m trying to say something beyond that, so I’ll answer but let me put it in this context. Your question is one of the issues I was trying to address today. Its that those people that are candidates to be among the 144,000 at this point in time, they have to learn those those facts themselves, not that I’m not willing to help, or that we don’t have material, but I’m saying there’s no longer time, we don’t have time any longer to be uncertain about what it means, that “Islam carries the message”.
What it means (I know a thousand different levels), is that on October 22nd 1844, according to Revelation 10, the Seventh Trumpet begins to sound, and the Seventh Trumpet is where the “Mystery of God should be finished”, and the “Mystery of God” is “Christ in you the hope of glory”, and the Seventh Trumpet was the Third Woe [of Islam].
So the Islam of the Third Woe, it’s got to be Islam, because the Pioneers were correct, it’s on the Chart, and Ellen White endorsed the Charts. The First Woe was Islam, the Second Woe was Islam … (upon the testimony of two) … the Third Woe has to be Islam, and it has to be the Seventh Trumpet, so there Islam is connected with the very work of Christ combining His divinity with our Humanity in the Most Holy Place where the “mystery of God” is finished.
You can’t separate it at that level, it’s part of the story, and the first reference to Judah, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, he’s tied to the ass, and in our history Islam of the Third Woe comes back into history on September 11, 2001, and it attacks the “spiritual” glorious land, the United States, with an unexpected attack, and then on October 7, 2023 Islam attacks the “literal” old glorious land in Israel, unexpectedly, and then at the Sunday law Islam of the Third Woe is once again going to attack the “spiritual” glorious land.
So you got these three markers that this whole history, which is the history of the Sealing of the 144,000, those three Waymarks are the Waymarks of “Truth”, because the beginning illustrates the end. It begins with a strike against the United States, and it ends with a strike against the United States. In the middle it’s a strike against the ancient glorious land of Israel, which is a symbol of “rebellion”, and the middle Waymark is the 13th letter, which is “rebellion”, and Israel is the land where the Jews crucified their Messiah in full-blown rebellion, and in this Sealing Time of the 144,000 the message is placed in the context of Islam because Islam is making things happen that contribute to other Lines of Truth.
For instance, before it was really clear, I mean, in these articles, if we would have noted when we were writing them, as soon as Islam struck literal Israel on October 7th, 2023 I began to recognize that this was part of … (and I began to write a little bit about it) … that this is part of the collapse of the Democratic Party, so the struggle between the Democrats and the Republicans is one Line of Prophecy that goes on in this history, but Islam carries them.
And it carries them because the history of the United States from 9/11 to the Sunday law is the Sealing Time of the 144,000, and in that history the Image of the Beast will be set up in the United States, and at the Sunday law then the Image of the Beast will be set up in the world, and when it’s set up in the world, the power that’s going to force the world to accept the three-fold Church-State system is the United States, the False Prophet of Bible prophecy.
The False Prophet is the one that deceives the world and forces the world that’s in the world Image of the Beast, but if you back up into the Image of the Beast that takes place first in the United States, there is a three-fold union that is different than the three-fold union of Revelation 16 that leads the world up to Armageddon.
The three-fold union of Revelation 16 that leads the world to Armageddon is the Beast of Catholicism, the United Nations is the Dragon, and the United States is the False Prophet, and when they come together they form an Image of the Beast in the world, but before that time period, in the history of 9/11 to the Sunday law, there’s going to be an Image of the Beast set up in the United States.
And the three-fold union that’s active then began at 9/11 with a power from
the “bottomless pit” that, according to Revelation 9, is Islam, marking 9/11, and then in 2020 you have a power from the “bottomless pit” which is the Dragon power, that slays the Two Witnesses, and then at the Sunday law you’re going to have the eighth Kingdom, the “eighth head” of Revelation 17 that “is of the seven”, become the eighth Kingdom and that’s a power from the “bottomless pit”.
So at the Sunday law you got the Beast [of Catholicism], which is a power from the bottomless pit, and at 9/11 you had the Beast of Islam from the bottomless pit, and in 2020 you had the the Beast that is the Dragon power from the bottomless pit, and in that history the False Prophet is not the United States, it’s Islam, it’s a three-fold union of “bottomless pit powers”, Islam, and the Dragon of wokeism, and then the papacy’s deadly wound healed, the Beast.
The point is on October 7th, 2023, in the story of the struggle of the Republicans and the Democrats and their movement, whether they understand it or not, of bringing Church and State together in the United States, I could see … (and we began to weave it into the story) … that what Islam did by attacking Israel was going to pull the rug out from underneath the Democratic Party, and it’s done just that.
The United States forces the whole world to set up an Image to the Beast based upon two things, either you can’t buy or sell (economics), or you’re put to death (military). So about money, in the history before the Sunday law, Islam is going to bring an economic crisis, and it did so at 9/11 (and we are still involved with the ramifications of that), but the warfare and the economic woes, are what the fruits of Islam’s attacks from 9/11 onward are.
And then when they attacked Israel on October 7th it brought out a division in the Democratic Party over those that didn’t understand that as Democrats they were part of the “Hitler Youth”, and now there are all those “Hitler Youth” in the universities in the United States protesting against literal Israel, and the Democratic Party has been divided.
My point is that the False Prophet of Islam in that threefold “bottomless pit union”, is what causes the Image of the Beast to be accomplished in the United States, in the same way that the False Prophet of the United States causes the world to set up an Image of the Beast, and in both cases it is military and economics that bring it about.
So what I’m saying in answer to your question is, Islam is the backdrop of all these Lines of prophecy, and if you can’t see that, then you can’t be Peter in Matthew 16, when Jesus is asking the disciples, “Who do men say that I am?” Some say this, some say that, and then Jesus says to the disciples, “but who do you say that I am?” Peter says, “Thou art the Son of God, thou art the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of the living God”, okay? He gives what is called the Christian’s Confession.
Well Peter’s name mathematically equates to “144,000”, and he’s giving testimony that he recognized Jesus as becoming Christ at His baptism. (Jesus was not “Christ” until His baptism.) Peter is saying, I understood who you were as “Christ, the Anointed One”, at Your baptism, and His baptism typifies 9/11.
When the Holy Spirit came down as the “dove” at His baptism, it was typifying when “the angel of Revelation 18” came down, when “the great buildings of New York City” came down. Peter (as the symbol of the 144,000), gave testimony that he understood the message of the hour, and the message of his hour was that at the baptism, at that Waymark, Jesus became “Christ”, and he’s typifying the 144,000 in our history, and the 144,000 are brought together from 9/11 to the Sunday Law. They are those that recognize the Waymark of “the baptism”, and the Waymark of “the baptism” in our history was the arrival of Islam.
Any way you look at the various Lines that are taking place now (the “wheels within wheels”, as Ezekiel says, and the Lines identify them), Islam ties them together. There’s no way to get away from it. But I agree with you, that most people don’t know that, and what I’m saying is, one of my dilemmas is, that I’ve kind of got to the point where I’m not so sure that these Zoom meetings are effective. I’m not complaining or anything. They’re not effective for the purposes that I had in mind from the point of view that what I said at the beginning, that if we had a good dialogue, question-and-answer dialogue, going on underneath the articles, then everyone that was reading them could be following this discussion in their own language, where there’s not so many doing that in a Zoom meetings.
And they need to do that. They need to become familiar with the ”Prophetic Rules”, that are “the methodology”, that is the “Latter Rain”, that is what “the debate” is about in Habakkuk 2. They have to become familiar with these principles and make them their own.
Speaking to someone like myself, to articulate them, to lay them out for an hour on Sabbath, is no doubt a blessing … (I’m not being critical), … but it’s got to be something deeper now. It has to be something deeper. It wasn’t deeper in 1850. For sure, we know that when the Chart was introduced in 1850 (the second fulfillment of Habakkuk 2), it began a “debate”, and the debate had to be among the people that were then handling the Chart. It began with the Millerites that had entered in by faith to the Most Holy Place, and that debate of Habakkuk began then, and by 1856, they were on the wrong side of the issue.
We are in that debate time now, where we return to that period of time, and now, it’s a requirement that we all settle into this truth individually, and now… (I forgot the second part, the second question).
Questioner:
The second part (and you know what, maybe I’ll write in the questions), but my second question was more or less to help somebody, if they don’t understand, they might hear, “The third angel’s message arrived at 1989”, and in this case, they’re going to say, “Well, when did the first happen? When did the second happen?” I guess they should know that. I think they should know that. That’s what I’m saying, they’re new to hearing this, and this is where they’re starting from, so I was just wondering if you can say a little bit on it.
Jeff:
Well, I believe I said it just a second ago. I’m fully settled into the belief that the prophetic application of Line-upon-Line is the Latter Rain. I know some people probably hear me say that, and they think, well, he’s really not meaning that. The Latter Rain is the ABCs of the message, and I’m saying the “Lines” is the “Latter Rain Message”, sure enough, but what brings out the Latter Rain Message is the “methodology”. That’s what “the debate” is about, the methodology of Line-upon-Line. And the Line-upon-Line methodology, the foundational point of reference for it, is the “Reformatory Movements”.
And so if you’re going to understand the Latter Rain Message, you have to understand the Reformatory Movements and understand that they’re all the same. They all possess the same Waymarks. And once you get to that level of understanding (and you need to be at that level of understanding), then you can see that, based upon Line-upon-Line, that you can see when the angels arrive, and that they’re thereafter empowered, every one of them.
The first angel arrived in 1798. It was empowered in 1840. The second angel arrived on April 19th. It was empowered at the Exeter Campmeeting on August 17th. The third angel’s message arrived on October 22nd, 1844, but they took a trip “wandering in the wilderness”. It didn’t get empowered, but then it is [empowered] at the end of the world, when the Lord’s bringing His people to “Kadesh” a second time.
So at the end of the world, in the Reformatory Movement where this takes place, it parallels the Reformatory Movement of the Millerites, because the Millerites were the beginning and we are the ending.
So the first angel arrived in 1798 at the Time of the End, and the third angel (because we are the messengers of the third angel, and the Millerites were the messengers of the first and second angels), in 1989 the third angel arrived again. It was “empowered” at 9/11 when the Twin Towers came down, and its empowerment is empowering the message of this time, and the message of this time is the Reformatory Movements.
What took place on September 11th, 2001 was a perfect parallel to what took place in the Millerite history on August 11th, 1840. When the angel descended on August 11th, 1840 in the Millerite history, the angel of Revelation 10 (He was endorsing the premier principle of Millerite history, which was the day-for-a-year principle). But when He came down on 9/11, he was endorsing the premier principle of our history, which is that the history of the Millerites is repeated in the history of the 144,000 (because all the Reformatory Movements parallel one another).
Therefore, where the first angel arrived at the Time of the End in 1798, it’s identifying that the third angel arrived in 1989. But the first angel wasn’t “empowered” until August 11th, 1840, with the fulfillment of a prophecy of Islam (Revelation 9:15). And the third angel wasn’t “empowered” until September 11th, 2001, with the fulfillment of a prophecy of Islam. The parallel is solid. That’s where you need to go with someone that’s not understanding the Reformatory Movements, in my mind. But if they don’t understand it, but they should understand it. Okay. That’s my answer.
Questioner: Thank you.
Jeff: Yep.
Moderator: All right. Jan, you had a question.
Jan:
Yes. Good morning, brethren. Anyway, Jeff, I just want to say I’m very blessed that I can hear you again because I’ve been in the message since 1989, and I don’t know if you remember The Church in the Wilderness in Eatonville?
Jeff: Yes.
Jan:
I heard you speak many, many times, and obviously, as a messenger, I’ve lost track and came back, and lost track of things that are happening, or not happening, but finding you, and I finally found you again through these Zoom calls, and so I’m very blessed. And I think they are effective because today, just speaking the word of truth, the Holy Spirit actually opens other truths in people’s minds, so I think it’s effective that way. But I’m very blessed, and I pray that the Lord will continue to bless you with His Spirit.
My questions are about Israel going into Rafah. Anyway, they are definitely going into Rafah, and if you can give one conclusion or spiritual significance of Israel going into Rafah/Raphia, and what spiritual timeline cutoff does it represent? Like, “when they do this, then this happens”, cause-and-effect. That’s my question.
Jeff:
Okay, I’m thinking about your question. One spiritual significance of them doing it. I don’t really know. I know that Raphia, of course, is a battle in Revelation 11.
Jan:
Okay, why are you saying “spiritual significance”?
Jeff:
It got me thinking the wrong, I went the wrong way.
Jan: Oh, that’s okay.
Jeff:
The significance of that is that it’s identifying the truth of Islam in terms of the “Glorious Land”, number one. So it’s identifying that Waymark as a valid Waymark, and that Waymark is contributing to the biblical truth that the Democratic Party is about to collapse (or is not going to get elected in this coming election). And that becomes part of the testing process for us, because in spite of all this, it’s very difficult for some to not believe that the Democrats are going to cheat to win the election again anyway. It’s almost a given, with the media on their side, and all the alphabet agencies, that they’re going to do everything that they can. So for Trump to prevail, he’s going to have to have so many extra votes that they can’t overwhelm the truth, but you know they’re going to try.
So why am I saying that? I’m saying that the battle that’s going on in Israel with Hamas and Israel is evidence that the Democratic Party is being exposed, okay? They’re the ones calling Trump Hitler, but it’s [George] Soros paying for the Democrats to go protest against Israel in the Universities, and even the modern-day media is calling them
“Hitler’s Youth”. They’re projecting their characteristics onto Trump. So part of what’s happening, part of the “spiritual significance” is that it’s collapsing the Democratic Party in advance of this election.
Part of it is also the “wheels-within-wheels”, which (I have to think through this), I’ve never tried to explain what I’m going to try to explain right now, but in Ezekiel’s “wheels-within-wheels”, that all takes place during the Sealing of the 144,000 thereafter, but primarily from 9/11 to the Sunday Law. Jesus warned about “wars and rumors of wars”, and you now have the “second battle” of verse 40 (the first being 1989), the second being the battle in the Ukraine, and then the third will be the collapse of Russia after the battle of Ukraine.
And then you have this war in Israel going on, and it is also a middle battle of “three battles of Islam”. So there’s connections between Raffa, as you’re defining it, and Ukraine at the prophetic level, because the Ukraine, the name “Ukraine” means “borderland”, and “Raphia” means “borderline”. They’re both “borderlines”. They’re both the middle of three battles, and they’re in the history where Jesus said, “there will be wars and rumors of wars”.
And we have a repetition in this same history of the Revolutionary War in the United States that began in 9/11. We have the lead-up to the [next] Civil War that’s being accomplished by Biden, and these wars are “wheels-within-wheels”. And when you first look at them, Sister White says they appear to be complex, but they’re in perfect order.
So the “spiritual significance” (I’m not sure that I understand it all, or even a good portion of it), but the “spiritual significance” of what’s going on with Israel and Hamas is not only leading the way to World War III, but it’s deflating the legitimacy of the Democratic Party for anyone that wants to see. But I’m not sure that I’m…, there’s probably much more to it than that. That’s about all I can say.
Jan:
So if Israel and the USA are in the middle of Ukraine and Russia, does that mean that war is cutting-off the Raphia-war, the borderland war with Ukraine? Is that ending that? Do you think it’s ending that war?
Jeff:
No, no. Now they’re happening at the same time, and they have some similar characteristics. So, I mean, you’ve got the French Revolution going on. Like I said, I haven’t thought through how to share all the various wars that Inspiration has pointed to, that are taking place in this history. So I’d have to think through the connections before I could do it justice.
Jan: Okay.
Jeff:
So, yeah. Sorry. I don’t have, like, an implication of what the Israel-U.S. war will be like, like “when they do this, now something else is going to happen”.
Jan:
Do you have an idea of where that would lead to…, the Israel-U.S. war? Where it will lead to, it’s leading into the Third World War, right?
Jeff:
Most of the plans of the globalists, the Lord has allowed them to put them in place, and they’re going to try to accomplish it. And they’ve always believed, always thought, that it takes three World Wars to bring in a one-world government. So their plan was to use Israel as the flashstone to bring about the Third World War.
I don’t know all the connections, but whatever it is, it’s a process that is, what they call it, when “classes” are being solidified? [“class-warfare”] I mean, people are starting to see (if you were paying attention), you knew a couple of years ago, that there was a portion of the Republican Party that really weren’t Republicans (based upon the principles that are associated with the Republican Party). They were there for other reasons, and people call them RINOs (Republican In Name Only).
But with this war in the Ukraine and the war in Israel, you can see real clearly how these RINOs are walking right over (and look at what the Speaker of the House did, Johnson), and they’re joining with the Democrats. So there’s a, what’s the word for that? Demarcation, a lot of demarcation. I’m trying to think of the word where groups are formed and solidified, their separation process. Alliances? Alliances or, no, but …
Jan: Yeah, alliances is right.
Jeff: Let’s just drop it there. I don’t have anything more to say about that.
Jan: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Happy Sabbath day and tell Clayton that we appreciate him helping you to do all these things.
Jeff: I will. He’s here. He’s hearing that. No doubt. We appreciate that. Happy Sabbath.
Jan: Happy Sabbath.
Moderator: Vicki or maybe Steve again. Vicki or Steve, you have your hand up.
Steve:
I’m here. Sorry. I was trying to figure it out. I just wanted some clarity. I understand that we parallel the Millerites, and the first angel arriving, being empowered, second angel arriving, being empowered, and we are living in the time of the third angel. And it’s being empowered as things go on here, but the first and second are supposed to run parallel. So tell me if I’m wrong when I think of 1989 (though we are under the third angel), isn’t that also the first angel, and at 9/11 the second was empowered, or am I looking at that wrong?
Jeff:
Well, at the prophetic level, where all you’re speaking about is Waymarks. Yeah, you could call in our history…. the first angel that arrived was in 1989. He was empowered at 9/11. But the reality is that the Millerite movement is the history of the first and second angels, and our history is the third angel.
Steve:
Yeah, and I get that. But it runs parallel, so it lays over it, right?
Jeff:
Yeah. It lays over all the other Reform Lines.
Steve:
So at July 18th, 2020 the second angel arrived, and it’s being empowered now, but that’s really, it’s the third angel, but that history lays over it. So prophetically, it’s all there. Okay. I just want to make sure I had my head wrapped around it right and wasn’t trying to tell somebody something that I was wrong on, because I don’t want to tell anybody something wrong.
Jeff:
The thing about it is that what sometimes people don’t recognize, is that symbols have more than one meaning. So you can definitely lay out, and be totally accurate, 9/11 to the Sunday Law, and you can lay it over the top of August 11th, 1840 until the Great Disappointment on October 22nd, 1844. You can do that. No sweat. And it’s correct. And there’s light in there.
But you can also take the “arrivals” of the angels and their “empowerments”, and you can just lay them over the top of each other (the second angel arrived in 1798. The third angel arrived in 1798), and show that the history of the first, second and third angels possess those same characteristics. So there’s more than one thing that you can do, and you’re supposed to, as a student of prophecy. So it can be maybe confusing to some. If I say it’s the third angel that arrived in 1989, but it was.
Steve:
Well, we’ve been under the sounding of the third angel since October 22nd, 1844. And so because of their rebellion, time stretched on to now. We came to the Time of the End for us, which is “bookended” to them. So we have to be under the third angel.
Jeff:
Yes. We are definitely under the third angel. And what happened, I don’t know, lots of things help me, but we are seeing the two “Kadeshes”. When you see that ancient Israel rejects Joshua and Caleb’s message [at Kadesh], and then they die in the wildernes. And that 40 years (and this agrees with what I said about 40 days of Christ’s temptation, and the 40 days of teaching the disciples after the cross), the 40 years of them dying in the wilderness is an illustration of a testing process where they’re on the wrong side of the issue. It’s life and death. And it begins with the rebellion against Joshua and Caleb [at Kadesh], and it ends with the rebellion of Moses [at Kadesh again]. There’s rebellions at both the beginning [and the ending]. And so we know that it’s a valid application.
And when it settled in for me that the rebellion of Moses was at Kadesh and the rebellion of Joshua and Caleb was at Kadesh, then I could see for myself that the rebellion of 1844 to 1863, they were brought to “Kadesh” the first time. And that history is being repeated now. He’s taken us through the wilderness and He’s brought us back to “Kadesh” for the second time. They are both the third angel.
Steve:
Amen. So one more question. At Trump’s inauguration, are we going to see manifestations of the devil start right off the bat? That’s how I’m understanding this. I know they’ll grow, and they’ll become more and more prevalent by the time we get up to the Sunday law. But I’m just asking you if you think [they’re going to start] right after his inauguration, if this stuff is going to kick in? Because they’re going to be empowered.
Jeff:
Yeah, they’re going to be empowered. The history of the World Image of the Beast illustrates the history of the beast in the United States. And there’s going to be miracles that lead up to Sunday law. And then the miracles that lead up to the Close of Probation in the World Image of the Beast. And the reason that I settled on Trump’s inauguration is because it aligns with the rededication of the Second Temple.
Steve: The Maccabean history. Yes.
Jeff:
And they have all these glorified miracles that they claim took place there. And I have a hunch they really did take place, because the Lord doesn’t restrict Satan from those types of issues. So we should expect some kind of miraculous confirmation of who and what Trump is at that point in time. And part of that part of the logic of that is that you have a spectrum of dictators. I suppose you could say it that way. The strongest dictator is someone that has the majority of the people behind him. I’m pretty sure that it’s going to be a bigger majority supporting Trump than we realize.
Steve: Absolutely.
Jeff:
People are starting to, I think (I don’t have any evidence from the media), but I think people are starting to wake up to the foolish position of the Democrats. Not that they have anything good to look forward to. I’m not saying that. But anyway…
Steve:
Yeah. I think miracles are. Yeah. Just the support of Trump.. You can see the average person is realizing that having open borders was a mistake and that them giving all this money to illegal immigrants and ignoring Americans is creating a massive backlash. The people in Chicago, they’re just fed up. I mean, they’re going to vote everybody out of office that’s Democrat. And that’s the black people that are going to do that. So, yeah, you can see there’s going to be a tidal wave. He’s going to get swept into office. I mean, this is going to happen.
And if we didn’t have the Bible supporting all this, they would assassinate him. There’s just no two ways about it. But it has to all play out the way it has to play, because God said so.
Jeff:
You know, there’s a passage in The Great Controversy that identifies before the Sunday Law. It says, this is paraphrased, but it’s pretty close. It says, “As the event so long doubted and disbelieved is seen to be approaching, an impetus will come into the work that here before could not have been recognized”… something along those lines. And what she’s saying is, as the events that suddenly start proving what people who have entered into office are saying about the coming Sunday law, are seen to be happening, then there’s a power that comes into the movement.
And what I’m saying is there has to be a group of people right now in this history that begin to tell this message, even though people reject it, criticize it, doubt it, everything you can say, but it’s getting in the public record that there are people that are understanding these things correctly. And that is the beginning of this movement. And that was the purpose of the session today, to say that we now have to do like they did at Pentecost, at the Midnight Cry, and get ready to take this Message. There’s no other Message. Take this Message, no matter what happens, and get it out in the public arena before it’s too late.
Steve:
Yeah, I’ve shared with, because I am in construction, and I’ve shared with people that I tell them about the coming Sunday law, and I tell them things like that. And they don’t believe me, but I tell them, I said, hands down, when this happens, God’s going to bring this back to your mind, that you were told this beforehand. I said, so I’m just doing what I’m supposed to do.
Thank you once again for your presentation today.
Jeff: Thank you.
Moderator Dean in Canada,
Question:
Hey, are there any other questions? We were at a market this week, and I met someone, we were talking about the politics down in the States, and how that relates to prophecy. But the woman was a Christian, and she was arguing that Trump is a man of faith. And I said, but look at his behavior. And she still was adamant that he was a Christian. So it’s funny how people will look at him as a Christian man, despite all of his flaws and his, let’s call them “indiscretions”. It’s funny.
Jeff:
Yeah, but that’s part of the work that Satan has accomplished. I’m not trying to be critical in what I’m going to say here, but I’m just being accurate. People consider Catholicism a Christian religion, but there isn’t anything Christian about Catholicism.
Dean:
At the same meeting, someone came up with the Catholic Church. A man says he used to be a Christian, but he was a Catholic. He says, maybe now I’m not. He says, maybe that’s something to do with it. And a woman spoke up and said, Catholicism is not Christianity. And there was a bit of a stir that happened from a woman who I assume was Catholic. But you’re right. It’s not Christian.
Bonnie, you have a question.
Bonnie:
Hi, yes. Thank you Dean. Hi, Brother Jeff. I was wondering, just if you could comment a little bit on this, because when we look at “The Pattern of Christ”, and it included the first, second, and third angels and the empowerments, and then there was a message or an angel descending, foundation is laid, and then the activities of the enemies. Is that pattern still in play in the triple application of prophecy that we are looking at now?
Jeff:
Well, I haven’t thought through all the implications of my answer, but yes, that’s an established truth. That’s one of my weaknesses, one of my many, many weaknesses, is that through the years, I’ve come to understand certain things that are true. And when I first understood them, I had to prove them to myself, and I had to prove them on two or three witnesses. And before long, they were approved on 50 witnesses or whatever. They’re established, and they’ve been established so long in my mind that I don’t even remember any longer all the little supports that make up that particular application.
So I’m here, I understand the application that you just mentioned, and I know it’s sound. I’m certain it’s true, but I’d have to think through it to explain all the little details. But that’s the thing, a personal problem I have is that I know that sometimes I will teach things that are just black and white, and I know they’re true, and I’m not being careful for those that may not have ever considered those things, giving them time to internalize those things. And that’s a problem that I see right now.
As a people, we don’t have time anymore to be counting on someone like Brother Jeff. We’ve got to make it our own right away. Anyway, I don’t know if I answered your question.
Moderator: Carolyn, you have a question.
Question:
Brother Jeff, this is a real question now. I don’t fully understand when some people say Hamas is a construct of Israel, yet some others say it’s the true enemy of Israel. Can you give some thoughts on that?
Jeff:
I don’t know. I haven’t paid that much attention to Hamas, its history, or all its background. I hear people say that…I don’t know. I don’t have enough information to answer that. Sorry.
Questioner:
Okay. Because when they said that Israel’s army, if a bird flew through there, they would see it on radar. And how would October 7th, how was Hamas able to make its inroads that it did? And so, again, I have very limited knowledge and understanding, and I don’t follow it. But I was thinking, from the limited bit that I know, it might be something like the CIA works for the U.S. Army, the USA, but yet some of the guys are rogue. They do things on their own, that, or they’re uncontrollable now. So I was thinking Hamas is in some way, like the CIA, but there is a defective agent around, or maybe it’s not following its objective of what it was intended to. So I was just wondering, just because sometimes when I hear certain things, I’m going, okay, well, which side is it coming from? Is it really so? And I guess us who are outside will never truly know, but I was just asking more or less, if you see what it might be, if you know, or if there’s a prophetic insight. And I remember way back when in some studies, we had a leader that was False Smerdis, right? So he was there, but he was false, or a system that is undermining the system, or a system that is using another one as its puppet go-getter type of thing. Okay. Well, thank you for that.
Jeff:
Yeah. And I know that you, I’m not holding you to this, but you had one comment, and it’s a, you could easily have applied it to someone else, another entity, but when it comes to the CIA, you have to remember the CIA is an invention of the Catholic Church, or you should remember, you should know that, okay? The founders of the CIA, I forget his name, a well-known conservative, but also a hardcore Catholic.
So when it comes to the idea that the CIA uses Islam, then you’re entering into the arguments or the discussion about what was the real role of Islam in Bible prophecy, and the role of Islam in Bible prophecy was to chastise the Roman Catholic Church. So it’s kind of a contradiction to say that the CIA is using… that I’m saying CIA would be Catholicism, [and if it] is using Islam to its own advantage, its kind of a contradiction to the role that it fills in Bible prophecy. But I just, speaking out loud here, if there’s light to be found in what you’re saying, so be it. I don’t mind being educated, but I’ll leave it at that.
Moderator:
Richard and Sally.
Yes, this is Richard. I’ve been wondering about how to be able to share this message that we have with friends in our small little church that I have in a church back out in Oregon (we are back in Minnesota now for the summer). I printed out the first article and handed it out, probably 10 or 12 copies of it, to those members and just told them that if they have any questions, please call me and I’d be happy to answer their questions. I, for a long time, have been trying to understand how to do this. I feel very inadequate since I’ve only been in the message since 2019. So that was my comment that I’d be happy to hear from anybody else that has any other suggestions on sharing this message. Thank you.
Jeff:
You brought this up once before, I believe, and I don’t have a problem with you bringing it up again, or maybe it wasn’t you. But I’m here twisting everyone’s arm to go out and share this message, but I’m not so sure that I have the perfect insight on how to do it. But I’m trusting that in this history, in fulfillment of Zechariah, it’s “not by might, not by power, but by my spirit, saith to the Lord”, that it’s more of our efforts to understand this message, make this message our own, and have a willingness to share it that is going to open the doors than anything else.
By that, I mean, I think it’s probably going to be just as effective that when you get on your knees in the morning and set your day out before the Lord, that you ask Him to bring you some person to witness to, and trust that it’s then His responsibility to do that more than necessarily having a specific battle plan. But I believe in organization, too, so I’m not totally throwing that out. But this is the point in time when the Holy Spirit takes charge of the work, and He’s looking for those of us that are willing to take this message to the world. And I think if we are willing to do that, He will make sure that we have people to take it to.
Questioner:
Well, I just felt impressed that what better way could I share this message than to bring an article to someone. We’ve had feedback from one woman. We gave her five articles, the first five, and she’s enjoyed them, and she’s studying them. And so I’ve already gotten feedback, and I’m looking for feedback from the others also. So I’m going to continue to do it this way until I can do it in a bigger venue, possibly even a presentation, and doing what we do in the Zoom. So thank you very much, Elder Jeff. Thank you.
Moderator: Hey, there’s someone who’s labeled iPhone. Might be Bud.
Happy Sabbath, everyone. I just wanted to let Richard know, Brother Richard, that I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to do this, but I just wanted to let you know that. I actually did a Bible study with a few just nominal Seventh-day Adventists from B to A, and here a lot of number A was characteristic of Catholicism. Also, I’m going to explain to them what I kind of started with, and Bud helped me through those notes. So I have a Bible study. If you would like, I can share it with you. You can look through it. It has about maybe six to eight pages, and it went very well, and they were very receptive.
What I’m going to do is I’m going to send my email through the chat, and then if you want to email me, then I can just share that article with you. That’s all I wanted to say. And thank you, Brother Jeff, enjoying your studies, enjoying your presentations. I know sometimes it’s exhausting because questions are just always coming, but we just so appreciate it and bless you, thank you so very much. Thank you.
Moderator: John.
Yes, this is John. Thank you, Jeff, for these presentations. What prompted me to raise my hand, so to speak, was the gentleman on sharing this message, and I’d like to get your thoughts before I go beyond this method. What I’ve done is I’ve mentioned to my two children (who I wouldn’t even describe them as even being nominal Adventists), because it was late when I got this message in 1999, and then therefore my children were being raised not under the Adventists.
But anyway, what I did was I’m sharing or linking the Article 193 and suggesting that they listen to that article and then put in a text message that you can see the support for this article based on the 192 articles that precede it. I’ve done that. I haven’t heard back from my children. I did it this week, but I’m curious as to, before I do more of things like this with people I know, and specifically my question would be taking things out of order like that.
I know I’m competing with all the distractions of the world today, and I know that Article 193 impressed me with so much identifying where we are right now, and where we are today that I felt compelled to share it with my children. But before I share it with more people, I was curious to get your thoughts, and thank you. Thank you again.
Jeff:
I think that’s valid. I think that the Lord wants us all to be fully proficient in this message, and the way we start is by finding the parts of this message that convict us, and because it convicts us, we make it our own like we are supposed to. That’s the best place to start, start with something that you’ve been convicted of, and keep going forward. But you’ve got to grow. Not that you’re not. I’m not saying you’re not growing. You’ve got to keep moving forward on all the advancing Lines. Like I said, not that you aren’t doing that. But I would do it. Send it out. If you’ve been impressed by it, send it out.
Moderator:
It looks like that is all the questions, so maybe we’ll end it here. Thank you, Elder Jeff, for your presentation. And just a reminder, Elder Jeff asks, as we are going through the articles, because even sometimes Carol and I had questions, and we just discussed it amongst ourselves. Post the questions on the FFA website, and Jeff can address them, and it might be that way of well…learning. It’ll be helpful to other people, too, who are maybe reluctant for whatever reason to post a question for themselves or don’t think of the question. So we should do that.
So who we are going to do now is, Carol?
Carol:
For Brother Jeff, I don’t know if Pastor Vijay is still on. We see the work that he’s doing and the impact that he is having. Maybe he can share, too, with us just how he’s doing it, or somebody might say, okay, well, that’s a different demographic. Maybe they’re just hungry for this. It seems like, from what I read, they’re taking big steps and moving forward. Maybe they can share sometime, as an addition after Brother Jeff, as to what he’s doing. And then the question comes, like, is there something we could be doing to help support those who are ahead of us? Like, I don’t know. I’m just throwing this out. You know, some of us, although our incentive is to share, but, maybe we all can’t do the same thing at the same time, but we can support [getting these truths out into the public arena] in some other way. So I’m just wondering if Brother Jeff or anybody else or Pastor Vijay has any thoughts or comments.
Jeff:
Well, my thoughts on it are that I think the support should probably be channeled through Future for America. And I’m saying that based upon my own experience. I think it’s important for us to be able to support each other. And I’m saying that based upon the testimony in Malachi, and our responsibility, I believe, is to identify what the storehouse is. And the storehouse at this time of Earth’s history is the storehouse where this Message is coming from.
But we are not hurting for any funds right now. That is the kind of push that I’m making, but it’s tricky for us. You don’t really know who you’re dealing with when you’re dealing with someone all the way around the other side of the world. And even if you had the ways and means to go over and check it out, even then you may be tricked into supporting someone that really didn’t qualify. So there’s a challenge, what I’m saying, in that kind of support. But we are doing that. We are praying that we are actually getting the finances to the right place, to the people that need it.
But I absolutely agree with you that whether you send it through here, or you don’t send it through here, we should be helping those people around the world now that are living in places where the economic circumstances are less than what they are in the Western world. And we only have a short time to do it. It’s getting more and more difficult and it’s only going to get worse as far as I understand it. We have a short time to do what we want to do, but we need to help these people in these other countries accomplish their work or that will be held against us.
Carol: Is there any comment from Pastor Vijay?
Moderator: Pastor Vijay, would you like to comment or share with us what you guys are doing over in India?
Pastor Vijay:
Yes, I’m willing to speak a word. We are very much inspired by the presentations of Brother Jeff Pippenger. And I have been teaching this from 2020 April, and many people are accepting, but the majority are rejecting. Still, God is leading us for His glory and honor. Currently, what we are doing is, myself and my wife, we quit our jobs to do full-time ministry because we understand the importance of the message that should go throughout India because probation closes for our advantage.
That is the reason we both took a brave step for God. And currently, we are in the contemporary transition to move to the countryside where we can start our full-time ministry. For that, we are currently building a worship center where we can have our classes and worship and record sermons. So, we are planning to complete this by the third week of May and from the fourth week of May, we will begin our full-time ministry by the grace of God. And we thank you very much for your support and encouragement in this regard. I want to say a very, very big thanks to Brother Jeff from the bottom of my heart, and my team.
So, everybody is very closely following Brother Jeff’s sermons. And we are very much blessed and getting ready for the close of probation. And by the grace of God, we are educating many people in India. All the sincere people are accepting our message and with unshakable faith.
And I want to say this afternoon, right after the Sabbath service, three students came from Spicer Memorial College of Seventh-day Adventists. And they are in the third year of their Bachelor of Theology degrees. And they came to me this afternoon and they told me that they are not willing to go back to study their theology at the Adventist College. And they told me that they want to join you in your ministry.
And actually, I want to ask Brother Jeff, what I have to answer them. They are very strong and they’re saying, we will not go back to college. And we will join the ministry that we are doing. That’s what they’re saying.
Jeff:
Part of this Prophetic Message is the revelation that the theology that’s taught by Seventh-day Adventism is dangerous. And if you have young people that are willing to serve the Lord, and they understand that fact, take them under your wings. And if you have young people take them under your wings and give them something to do, encourage them. There was a time in Sister White’s day and age where she told the brethren, do not send your children to the Adventist school in Michigan. It may have been Andrews at that time. And we are definitely at that period of history.
Adventism is like the Jews of Christ’s day. They don’t know what’s happening. They can’t teach anything else. They can only teach what they know. I don’t know how you’re going to support an influx of people, but God does.
Pastor Vijay:
Yes, Brother Jeff, your answer means a lot to me, because I’ve been thinking since this afternoon what to say to them. Now I can tell them what they should do.
Jeff:
Well, I probably shouldn’t say anything, but I’m going to say it anyway. When they just now encouraged you to speak, they also asked if you would be willing at some point in time to do a Zoom meeting. So do you want to answer them whether you have a willingness to do that at some time?
Pastor Vijay: Sure okay I will do that
Jeff: All right well it’s up to them who are in charge in Canada or the United States to interact with you on that.
Carol:
What I was thinking, you know how sometimes in the afternoon we have presentations, be it where it’s a help, be it where it’s brother Daniel after brother Jeff, so I was thinking, for those of us here, we are in Canada, and you’re in the US, people are in different parts of the world. It might be nice to know and hear some of what is happening in different fields, and then maybe if we are a little bit not on fire that could help us wake up. What I’m saying it’s that’s what I’m just thinking it’s an opportunity, and most of us are at our homes, and, Pastor Vijay, I couldn’t imagine what time it is for you, but it would be nice just to hear from you, from a different part of the world some of the time.
Pastor Vijay:
Yes, it is nine minutes past twelve but we are good to be awake, and I have one more question brother Jeff, if you can answer my question. My son and daughter, my son is 17 years old my daughter is 13 years old, we have decided them not to send to any Adventist school or any secular school. We want to have them at home and educate them with the entire Message. So we have decided not to send them to school. Is it right or can you advise my ways?
Jeff:
Well I don’t know the the legal jeopardy you might put yourself in for not sending your children to school in India. Some places in the Western World will harass you for that, but I think we were definitely at the time period where we should be teaching our children at home. If there’s ever been an illustration about how corrupt the educational system is, the educational system is, it’s being illustrated in the world today (with all this rebellion that has been created by educational institutions), that they’re being purposely directed against law and order and promoting anarchy. Bring your children home. Teach them from the Word of God.
Carol:
Yes, not just anarchy but sexual depravity is the word I was looking for, and really, teaching the children that the Bible and God is a myth the school systems is a disaster, including our [SDA] schools are teaching error.
Pastor Vijay:
Oh yes, in fact my daughter and son were telling me the other day they didn’t want to go to school, and they want to learn the Message that I’ve been presenting.
Jeff: Praise the Lord.
Pastor Vijay:
And one more question brother Jeff. Many people, I already told you, 46 people have accepted our Message, and afterwards two people, all together 49 people. Most of the people are saying we cannot go anymore to the Adventist church. We will come to you for worship, and we will join you, and if it is possible we want to stay with you. So if these people come to me, where am I going to [have them] live, and what kind of work can I suggest them to do for their survival?
Jeff:
I don’t know. I have no idea about the environment that you’re living in in India, but I know that my son and I, all of our free time is spent trying to develop a fairly sophisticated garden that will produce enough food for a lot of people to eat and, we lament often the fact that it’s just him and I, so if people are coming out to support you and what you’re doing then they should help you in the gardening, and the the responsibilities of accomplishing the work, that would be necessary to support [themselves].
I don’t know how many people you’re talking about but I hesitate being too specific about this because I don’t know the environment you’re in, I don’t know the legal jeopardy that I might be suggesting you get into or any of it, but I if people are going to come to you (I think time is so short), if people are going to come to you and they want to help, then the Lord is going to have to lead you into the circumstances necessary to find some place for them to fit in
Pastor Vijay: Yes
Jeff:
The property that I have here, it’s more than enough for my son and I, but I’ve operated on the principle, ever since we got this property years ago, that if we are faithful and it’s the Lord’s will, that when the crisis hits and you can’t buy or sell, or it gets more and more difficult to buy and sell, that there’s going to be centers, places people can come to to learn the Message, and survive during that crisis time. That’s what we are attempting to do here. (Whether we are doing it well or not I don’t know), but that’s probably what you need to be planning on because time is very short, shorter than we realize.
Pastor Vijay:
Yes brother Jeff, that’s what the people in India who have heard our Message are saying. They realize that the time is very short, and they’re willing to come to the place where we are going to live. So by God’s grace, and He might lead us according to His will, and we are praying about our ministry.
Jeff:
Well I’m sure that just from this dialogue we are having right now that you’ve inspired some of the brethren here to help and, like I said, I don’t know the financial needs to set up a ministry in India that can take in people, but if the Lord wants that to happen it’ll happen.
Pastor Vijay: Yes, Jeff.
Moderator:
Thank you for sharing. So Elder Jeff, you were saying, if people wanted to give support to Vijay’s ministry, they can do that through you as well, just so they know.
Jeff:
Yeah, well, we are already doing that, and we are doing it with other places as well. It’s a really kind of a delicate thing for me to address, but I’ll address it. I think part of our test, in terms of… In the articles, where we were dealing with Elijah more than we have been recently, the part of the test for this time-period, is for God’s people to realize that Future for America is the ministry that was chosen for this time-period, and in that sense it is a storehouse, and there’s a curse pronounced against those that will not bring all their tithes into the storehouse (and I know that seems really self-serving, I get all that, for me to be saying that), but it’s part of the prophetic testimony.
And it’s not like its where I coveted, or wanted, or anything, but it seems as if we’ve been set up to do that work, and it’s not an easy work if you’re going to be consistent about doing your best to make sure that the money is going to a place you can really have confidence in. More than once through the years we have supported people around the world that we later found out we shouldn’t have been supporting.
It’s just part of what happens….anyway…
Moderator:
Right. All right, so now that looks like it’s the end of the questions, and we thank you Pastor Vijay for sharing as well. So what we’ll do now is we’ll have a health video presentation for those who want to stick around, and then after that we usually just have, well, basically, everyone’s unmuted, and they can discuss and fellowship if they so choose. Go ahead, I don’t know if it’s Vicki or Steve…
Steve:
I was just going to say, if you want to give everybody 10 or 20 minutes, or whatever, to discuss the presentation, you can do that, and we can start it, and however long (it doesn’t matter to me), whatever, at two o’clock, if people want to discuss the presentation, maybe give them time to do that. I’m not sure, so, do you want to start the health thing, say, in 20 minutes, 10 after the hour?
Moderator Dean:
Yeah let’s do that then. What I will do then is just allow people to unmute themselves if they want to ask instead of raising their hands.
Thank you Jeff, we appreciate your presentation, and Vijay, we are praying for you and your family and the ministry.
I would also like the texts from the presentations of March 30, April 6, April 13, April 20, together with the quotes related to each of the presentations. Where can I get them?
Dear Elder Jeff
You invited us to question you and there are two points i really need to be clearer on .
The first is about Hanukkah. Two weeks ago you said the continual burning of the candle was not of God ,as the jews assume , but of satanic phenomenon as the Maccabees were not following the Scriptures.
Please elaborate on that subject .
There is also a more general point .I have listened to you live and now on Saturday for one hour then on recording a si have another meeting at 6pm. I must admit i wouldn’t be able to convey to others what you are teaching . I do not see a core matter to expand on it.
What exactly is the message now as different to what you were teaching before the split.?
SoP says we must give the 3AM to the world .I understand it from the Scriptures but I am puzzled on what you mean even with the articles . .Please explain as. i really want to understand in depth , and in return ‘teach’. this message to others.
Many thanks
Edwige
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That is a good suggestion. I added the PDF notes to all the Sabbath presentations. They appear at the top of each now.
So much bright truth and light, so many lines of Truth since the disciples of 9/11 first came out of nominal Adventism! In this present tarrying time, may we not let pass by us the time we need to strengthen ourselves by prayer and watching, and fasting if need be, to be ready for the crisis when all of these lines of prophecy converge, bringing a violent end to this violent world.
The beginning of a thing can be recognized by the end of a thing, for the end is illustrated by the beginning. The end of the Maccabees were the Pharisees, who with the rest of the leadership proclaimed in the crisis of the cross that they have no king but Caesar. Caesar represents pagan Rome, which Sister White says is Satan.
“Thus while the dragon, primarily, represents Satan, it is, in a secondary sense, a symbol of pagan Rome.” The Great Controversy, 439.
The Pharisees which were simply the final period of the Maccabees were not connected with God. Jesus plainly said their father was the devil. Any miracles that occurred during their history could not have been sanctified miracles. They were satanic miracles.
The articles are all built upon the methodology that was employed before the disappointment of 2020. What is new is that the same prophetic lines and methodology that was employed and identified before 2020 is now identifying that the sealing of the one hundred and forty-four thousand is concluding. The new light, which if it is light cannot contradict previous established light is the revelation of who the two witnesses of Revelation chapter eleven are, and the prophetic enigma of those witnesses experiencing the transition from the seventh unto the eighth.