July 11, 2026

00:00:09.418 - 00:00:36.120 Good morning, Welcome to Saba school. Hope you're having a blessed Saba so far, we'll begin with a, a word of prayer, Heavenly father, we ask for your Holy Spirit as we study. This morning. We ask that you would bless us with your presence, enlighten our minds.

00:00:36.120 - 00:00:52.380 Sanctify us for the work that we have to do in this world at this time. We thank you for your presence, we thank you for your leading throughout this recent history as you've been unceiling the prophetic message.

00:00:52.380 - 00:01:08.910 And we ask for wisdom on how to rightly divide that word of truth in Jesus name. Amen. We will begin with.

00:01:08.910 - 00:01:24.540 The savis school study that's on based upon the book of the annual number 100 180. The prophetic intersection of Rome, the macabeese, and modern times.

00:01:24.540 - 00:01:44.540 In the article I contend that the league form between the Maca B and Jews and Rome beginning in 1601 BC and finalized around 01:58 BC is a critical prophetic symbol that parallels the soon coming Sunday law in the United States. The article traces the sequence in Daniel chapter eleven.

00:01:44.540 - 00:02:06.150 And showing how Rome 1st enters prophetic history in 200 BC at the battle of actium from the history of the battle of actium, to establish the vision then defeats the soluicids and gains control of Judia in 63 BC on the day of atonement topifying the image of the beast and the church state Union at the Sunday law.

00:02:06.150 - 00:02:25.140 The macabine revolvedication of the temple in 1604 BC Hanika and the subsequent league with Rome illustrate how a professed defense of God's temple can produce an illicit alliance between church and state bearing the fruit of fariouseism that is now manifesting.

00:02:25.140 - 00:02:41.850 In modern prognancent support for political power. Trump is tipified by anticos magnus and methias while the globalist progressive movement is tipified by the solucides and Greek helenization.

00:02:41.850 - 00:03:00.090 The article identifies that the same principles of church state Union that led the Macabeese to form a league with Rome are repeating today in apostate prod as a prostate protestinism rallies behind magagism, preparing the way for the papcy to step forward and enforce the mark of its authority.

00:03:00.090 - 00:03:20.090 These lines demonstrate that the final test is not merely political, but it is the same spirit of rebillion. The combined church and state and ancient times culminating in the Sunday law of verse 16 of Daniel eleven. The article has 23 paragraphs, 92 sentences.

00:03:20.090 - 00:03:38.190 And 58 distinct biblical and historical lines. The 1st question, and I hope we're all here, how does the league between the macabine Jews and Rome serve as a prophetic warning?

00:03:38.190 - 00:03:58.190 For church state Union, for the church state Union we see forming in the United States now waiting for any hands. John Mundy has raised his hand.

00:03:58.190 - 00:04:01.422 Go ahead John.

00:04:01.422 - 00:04:35.852 Good morning and so I did I have my notes here and I wanted to give you guys a response, just one, 1 s there. Sorry I apologize, but ok so so my my let's see how how does the thing is.

00:04:35.852 - 00:04:45.238 Between the back of being Jews and Rome serve as a prophetic warning for the church State union we see forming in the United States today.

00:04:45.238 - 00:04:54.599 Okay, so, the article signs each ancient group to one modern comp compartment.

00:04:54.599 - 00:05:12.149 Counterpart, antiagos magnus equals trump, apostate republicanism as the state/political wing. Matthias, macabi/Macabee equals mega.

00:05:12.149 - 00:05:27.239 Armega, sorry, ism. Slash apostate Protestant ism, as the religious wing claiming to defeat Christian.

00:05:27.239 - 00:05:44.789 Heritage and I got the phariseese equals the religious right that develops from that religious wing. And I want to make sure I don't have my mixed up here, but.

00:05:44.789 - 00:06:04.789 Let me, let me double check that how does the figures? I might have messed up let's see. Yeah, so the, so the the discussion points out that the characteristics do, do you see in each group that might have a modern parallel where you.

00:06:04.789 - 00:06:26.256 Do you see lines being drawn today? Is that the, that was the yeah so that's what I was trying to answer there, but I'm sorry I'm all over the place with my notes. Can you repeat the question again further Jeff and then I can.

00:06:26.256 - 00:06:39.072 They have it. How does the league between the Mecapion Jews and Rome serve as a prophetic warn for forming for church state Union receive forming in the United States today? A brother John. Yeah. Get your notes together because there's two other participants that are.

00:06:39.072 - 00:06:41.513 Go ahead and let them.

00:06:41.513 - 00:06:47.080 And they can they can go ahead whoever they are. Yes, please, please let them go ahead.

00:06:47.080 - 00:06:49.300 Yeah, I band.

00:06:49.300 - 00:07:07.189 Just as a quick one, just as the Jews reached out to Rome for help against the isyrians. So two as Islam rises now, we'll find that our leaders here in America reach out to Rome for help in the crisis that is bringing.

00:07:07.189 - 00:07:09.617 Working upon us now.

00:07:11.972 - 00:07:25.396 Either hand ok Brother John, you have your notes together now? Your thoughts.

00:07:25.396 - 00:07:43.057 Yeah, my thought on that. Okay so I do apologize. I've got too many notes. Yeah, I've been doing too much studying. So the Wait 1 s.

00:07:43.057 - 00:07:50.898 1 s. Can we see two participants for Who are the others? Go ahead we'll wait for John to get it together.

00:07:50.898 - 00:08:09.089 Okay, happy so yeah please the way I understand is that the mathurb is tippied the religion power and then the room rumors tipified.

00:08:09.089 - 00:08:27.299 The state powers through and the joint hand where that's where we see in the symbol of checking state combination of which we are told it happens in our time. However the protestants.

00:08:27.299 - 00:08:43.081 Joining hands with the stage power to form an image for the bees and the conclusion will be the mark which is at the Sunday law.

00:08:43.081 - 00:08:44.733 It's.

00:08:44.733 - 00:09:28.503 And whatever we see in this picture or in the history where we see a symbol of state church and states, we can trace it down line up a line our time what will happen. So if the market join hands with the rumours which is the state power, then we can we we we are sure it provides our types with us as the symbols shows our understandings the relationship in our time.

00:09:29.362 - 00:09:49.101 I would also add that the, the history of 1601 to 01:58 shows this coming together as a progression. Other hands, go ahead John, Brother John.

00:09:53.429 - 00:10:12.392 Okay, I finally got down to the apologize. I'll try to get ready for the 2nd question, but I do have an answer here. I just too many notes, I apologize.

00:10:12.392 - 00:10:28.109 Okay, let's go to 2nd question. I got I didn't get any really serious criticism, but there was some comments last Sabath about me running long. Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna push us through a little bit quicker in case that wasn't accurate.

00:10:28.109 - 00:10:54.799 Comment. Question number two, in what way does the article show that romes entrance into history in 200 BC at the battle of Paneeum established the vision? And what does that mean for Daniel 1140 to 45? Any hands?

00:10:54.799 - 00:11:10.474 Good month.

00:11:10.474 - 00:11:24.689 I'm gonna read the answer I have here and keep moving forward. Rome at Panium established the vision. Rome enters prophetic history here is a new rising power that replaces the previous kingdoms.

00:11:24.689 - 00:11:42.359 The article uses this to show that Rome Pegan then Papel is the consistent king of the north thread running through Daniel eleven culminating in Daniel 1140 to 45. Sister White talks about the rise and fall of kingdoms.

00:11:42.359 - 00:11:58.094 And this is an illustration of the rise of Rome and Rome is the subject that ties all of Daniel eleven together and the subject is tied together with the rise and fall of kingdom.

00:11:58.094 - 00:12:04.337 Times.

00:12:04.337 - 00:12:06.281 Any other comments?

00:12:06.281 - 00:12:14.161 Oh yeah.

00:12:19.438 - 00:12:40.649 Yeah, can I speak? I just have. Go ahead. Yeah, what I want to add to it is that where we see panium, the, but the bottle of panium happening he we see especially in Danielle.

00:12:40.649 - 00:12:56.099 30 to 16, we see that at the end of the panion, the Bible introduced the robbers of their people that came, that came in that came in to establish the vision so.

00:12:56.099 - 00:13:11.429 It makes us understood the heading history of Daniel 1140 40 because before 41, we need, we need to see the history which from 19 8096.

00:13:11.429 - 00:13:26.909 To the Sunday law and that's where we came back to from this one downward where we see that there there's still need we still need to see the signs of Russia and so.

00:13:26.909 - 00:13:43.889 The war of Panum makes us understood that after panom, the nesting is the establishments of sandy law. So, that's how I see.

00:13:43.889 - 00:14:02.798 And in the articles whereby afternoon, we, where we are going is the sun day law. So I think that's a little bit I have to say. Thank you.

00:14:02.798 - 00:14:06.479 Let's see more participants go for it.

00:14:06.479 - 00:14:27.978 Okay I'm not sure if it's my, there you go.

00:14:27.978 - 00:14:36.016 No, it's not yours. Just some people are raising and lowering their hands and when they come off of mute, they're not saying anything. So just proceed.

00:14:36.016 - 00:14:55.639 Question number three, why is the rededication of the temple in 1604 significant in the topology of professed defense of a professed defense of God's truth that still leads to an unholy alliance?

00:14:55.639 - 00:14:59.795 Is it ok.

00:14:59.795 - 00:15:41.140 So they, they, the end does not justify the means in in terms of the Macabines joining hands with Rome at the time. It's almost like our our modern day example would be, apostate protestantism joining with meganism and that's what they did at the back end and macabines in, I believe it was 1601 BC joined hands with Romes and defeating defeating I.

00:15:41.140 - 00:15:43.284 I can't remember that.

00:15:43.284 - 00:15:47.641 The Greeks which is solicit. Yeah. I think it was.

00:15:47.641 - 00:15:49.641 And, ok, cool.

00:15:49.641 - 00:16:27.858 So that I'm not relying on my notes now Jeff I'm just using what I've, what I can remember and and that it it didn't take, it wasn't instant. It took three years and we are in that, we're in that we need to recognize if as the 144000, we need to recognize that that's where we are right now. We're in a it it just it took three years for them to totally be apost date themselves is probably a good way to put it and give you the some.

00:16:27.858 - 00:16:53.899 Go ahead. I wouldn't say they aposted themselves then. I would say that at the prophetic level, they were already disconnected from God. When they returned out a babelint and rebuilt the temple, the Chicagoana glory never came back into that temple, ok, you know, that the league with the Jews is many moons later.

00:16:53.899 - 00:17:06.579 They were off track way before they illustrate the formation of the image of the beast, but I, I get your point. Okay, we have some more hands now.

00:17:07.159 - 00:17:22.049 Okay, thank you. What I have to say about the rededication of the temple to be filed though only Alliance that will happen in our time is.

00:17:22.049 - 00:17:39.299 And at that time when the market is I think I have less knowledge about that, but what I would say that you think they have they they have purified the temple in their knowledge, but this knowledge that they have.

00:17:39.299 - 00:17:59.299 Down to the down to the history lead leads them to crucify a christ. So in our time, the world would think establishing Sunday law is the best way to go but not knowing they will crucify christ. So.

00:17:59.299 - 00:18:12.521 The rededication is actually the the 1st of the temple. That's what I want to see.

00:18:12.521 - 00:18:20.238 Alright, we got five participants now, someone else go?

00:18:24.818 - 00:18:59.119 I just wanted to make the point that the rededication of the temple was an alliance. The were not priest. For the most part, they were a priest that was also a general, so you had state connection there and that's exactly what you see a push for in the mega movement at this point in time. So that's a parallel.

00:18:59.119 - 00:19:30.869 Yeah, that they, they had NO problem having a high priest who was also the leader of the nation, the political and religious leader yet when Usa tried to go into the temple and do the work King King Ziah I'm sorry, I thought it was a King Guziah went into the temple and tried to make an offering, he receives leparacy. Okay, so the bible's real clear.

00:19:30.869 - 00:19:57.679 Even before the time of the macabeese, that the leadership was not supposed to be priested and king. And they did that in their history, so they were, they were in darkness right at right from the outset, but they believed they were God's people just like apostate protocinism does today. Yeah. More participants.

00:19:57.679 - 00:20:12.809 I don't know if you can hear me, but the macabine revolved started as defense of God's truth and again drawing on the parallel of the Macabines to our day and age with apostate protescent will do the same or are now doing that.

00:20:12.809 - 00:20:30.738 A couple of quotes here about the macabines. The macabines stood in defense of the truth against the abomination and dustillation of the antiakus eth emphasis had placed within the sanctuary. How you pronounced it, jeff?

00:20:30.738 - 00:20:32.686 I think Pat was correct.

00:20:32.686 - 00:20:48.379 Oh, emphasis, yeah. And then he also the machine revote was a response to the persecution of antique who placed the bomination.

00:20:48.379 - 00:21:04.979 In the temple and attempted to attempted to destroy the law of God. So this is just before the the revault but the problem is they joined with Rome.

00:21:04.979 - 00:21:17.841 They joined with Rome and they themselves did not understand their corrupted condition. Another participant.

00:21:17.841 - 00:21:23.979 I'm just praying we have three years left right now.

00:21:23.979 - 00:21:29.460 Keep praying. Alright. Thanks. Bye.

00:21:29.460 - 00:21:35.501 Trying to get fruit trees up and going.

00:21:35.501 - 00:22:01.083 In the sanctuary dedication, the Minora represented a symbol of, of, of the truth God's Minora was seven candles and they had eight. Am I not correct in saying that?

00:22:01.083 - 00:22:05.881 Yeah, there's Yeah, go ahead, that's what we understand.

00:22:05.881 - 00:22:14.479 But that would be representing a diluted.

00:22:15.180 - 00:22:35.800 Satanic counterfeit as well as when we go back to the different I'm thinking of the animals and the the sanctuary animals that were, were not perfect and and I believe Daniel seven.

00:22:35.800 - 00:22:41.082 Right, then you'll ate.

00:22:41.082 - 00:22:42.602 Okay.

00:22:42.602 - 00:23:00.781 Daniel seven was the political and they were beast of prey Daniel eight were the sanctuary animals that were corrupted. I'm moving on to question number four because of time.

00:23:00.781 - 00:23:08.663 Jeff? Yes. And one in the middle.

00:23:08.663 - 00:23:10.261 Long time ago when.

00:23:10.261 - 00:23:27.929 Yeah yeah so and and the there's a relevance to it. If you add up all the naps, buds and flowers on the regular candle stick, the one that is actually in the sanctuary, it's 66, which is equivalent to the 66 books of the Bible.

00:23:27.929 - 00:23:47.929 If you add the other four and you add it up, I believe it comes to 88 of off the top of my head, someone would wanna check that but which is exactly the amount of books you would have if you add the apocryphal and and the other books that they add to other Bibles that aren't part of the cannon. So there's a counterfeit.

00:23:47.929 - 00:23:50.358 In that sense as well.

00:23:50.358 - 00:24:19.403 That's interesting. And and to remember remember when we were looking at that, there is NO historical record of that actually happening until several 300 years I think after the fact it became a traditional understanding for the Hebrews, but there's NO evidence that that Minora continued.

00:24:19.403 - 00:24:28.923 It's a counterfeit counterfeit holy spirit. It's a counterfeit spirit and that's something else, that's what it's pointing forward to in our day.

00:24:28.923 - 00:24:40.500 They're going to have a counterfeit temple, a miracle that's going to further motivate them to do the work they're about to do. But go ahead.

00:24:40.500 - 00:24:47.759 I was just gonna say that and as far as the one in the the actual true candlestick that's in the sanctuary, if you do the math.

00:24:47.759 - 00:25:03.989 If you just do the three candle sticks on one side, it totals the number of the new testament and if you do the left side or whichever the other side and you add the center column which has four naps buds and and a nap a bud and a flower.

00:25:03.989 - 00:25:27.700 You get the totality of the Old Testament, so it lays out the new in the Old Testament as the light that shines, the only light that shines in the holy place. And it shines on the table of show bread. Table of show bread between two stacks of six, which is 66, and it has a crown, a hands breath, and a crown, which symbolizes where christ, Christ sits with the father on the thrones on the sides of the north.

00:25:27.700 - 00:25:30.160 And Charlie alone.

00:25:30.160 - 00:25:40.494 You need to mute, Patrick. I thought I was muted. Yeah, but so, so you get this clear picture about in the.

00:25:40.494 - 00:25:42.579 About the.

00:25:42.579 - 00:25:53.783 The counterfeit of what this Panica Minora is and as compared to what's going on in the the sanctuary itself. Oh word.

00:25:53.783 - 00:26:02.549 Okay, question number four because of time nothing to do with this study here this morning, but.

00:26:02.549 - 00:26:19.019 If if the of, if what we're doing here, the structure of the flow of what we're doing can be improved, we need to hear from people. We're not hearing from people, so I don't know if we all appreciate what the study we're doing right here or not or if it's.

00:26:19.019 - 00:26:39.019 Causing frustration to some somehow, some way but if you have If you want to critique what we're doing here, let us know, send us a text or email. Number four, how do the figures of antiagos magnus methiass and the Pharrisees connect to modern political and religious movements?

00:26:39.019 - 00:26:50.860 Such as Trump and magneism. I see some participants with their hands up. Maybe they were from their question before.

00:26:50.860 - 00:27:19.649 My my hand's still up for this one. So Antiaga Magnus is/antiagos the 3rd equals apostate protestination apostate Republican is, and also the the dragon power. Antiagos, the great represents apost represents the apostate republicanism in the United States. Antiagos.

00:27:19.649 - 00:27:36.716 Magnus represents political power that is used to establish the image of the beast. He represents I do understand that those are the same individual? The antigous, the gray and antigous magnust?

00:27:36.716 - 00:27:48.499 I don't know that, yeah. No, they just he has a few names in history. Magnus I even think is a word that means great. Okay. Okay.

00:27:48.499 - 00:28:09.475 So do they both, am I accurate in saying that they both represent apoll state republicanism or the one person represents apoll State republicanism and the political manifestation of the dragon? Is that accurate?

00:28:09.475 - 00:28:18.123 Well, and antich is the great, as I understand it represents Trump, who's Trump?

00:28:18.123 - 00:28:20.240 He speaks as the dragon.

00:28:20.240 - 00:28:39.316 Well, he's gonna speak at the dr as a dragon at the Sunday law, but who is, who is he in the history of the United States? What, what power does he represent there? The, the horn of protestinism or the Horn of republicanism?

00:28:39.316 - 00:28:41.783 Republicanism.

00:28:41.783 - 00:28:50.578 So it'd be state. So who's, who's the, the the protestanna horn?

00:28:50.578 - 00:28:52.560 I state promisedantism.

00:28:52.560 - 00:28:58.842 Hey, who are they in terms of this question? Mega, the mega, sorry mega movement.

00:28:58.842 - 00:29:11.059 Okay, this question is about anticos magnus matthias. Who's methias? Or a matothias? I maybe I'm pronouncing that wrong.

00:29:11.059 - 00:29:44.059 Well methias represents the the beginning of the history of the macabeese. Which is the which is the history of apostate protestantism. There you go. Go on to say that the Macabes represent apostate protecism. They began began by standing for the truth against the abomination, desilation, but they ended by making a league with.

00:29:44.059 - 00:29:48.240 Wrong. That was the mistake they made.

00:29:48.240 - 00:29:51.241 Well, they did. They began there.

00:29:51.241 - 00:29:55.318 Yeah. Okay I get that point. I'll leave the end up.

00:29:55.318 - 00:30:21.829 Yes, the conservative division of the, of the parties that were at Jerusalem at the time. But there was another group that were siting with the helinistic Greeks, and so Mathias, when they tried to do, they wanted the Greeks come in and they want to do a sacrifice and he refuses to do it, but then there were certain ones that said they would do it and he ends up.

00:30:26.378 - 00:30:31.438 Yeah, he kills the priest and the the Syrian leader.

00:30:31.438 - 00:30:36.122 Right, so then then he beca that's where how this this revolt begins, right?

00:30:36.122 - 00:30:38.909 Yes.

00:30:38.909 - 00:31:10.802 And and all those lines are speaking to us here at the end of the world and then moving on, I'm looking at the clock, number five, what parallel does the article draw between the solucid imposition of Greek culture and the current globalist wokeism movement? Or is there one?

00:31:10.802 - 00:31:33.269 So Antiagas if I can't pronounce that to save my life Antiagas Empathy attempts to force Greek culture language and religion upon the Jews. He banded the Sabast circumcision and the reading of the law.

00:31:33.269 - 00:31:58.520 And set up the abomination of decisation in the temple. The solutioned King represented the imp imposition of Greek philosophy culture, and relig religion upon God's people. It was a forced assimilation.

00:31:58.520 - 00:32:14.419 I agree. What, what was the the article doesn't say this and maybe maybe I'm pulling this out of the air, but what was the most incidious influence of the Greek culture of all of them?

00:32:14.419 - 00:32:22.800 Well, if you if you're speaking in terms of what they literally did was when they went into the temple and sacrificed a pig.

00:32:22.800 - 00:32:28.654 A right answer, but what I'm saying is that it's their educational system.

00:32:31.861 - 00:32:37.033 Yeah, I agree.

00:32:37.033 - 00:32:46.404 So what's that Pipafi today?

00:32:46.404 - 00:33:02.789 So I think this is the same thing we see with wolt culture and the atheism that they bring one, but the breakdown of of the culture as a Christian culture and not a theoretical Christian culture, but actually a Christian culture. And so they're preparing the way.

00:33:02.789 - 00:33:22.789 To join hands and you can see it with the marks this in the the left, they, they're anethetical on every position except for hating Christians and Jews, which is pointing you towards the preparation to Sunday law. It would be my my estimation. And then this also sets the stage for our.

00:33:22.789 - 00:33:43.399 What how we would understand that with how Islam comes back into the scene as well because this this marks this wokism agenda that's going on thinks just like they did in Iran for instance, that they can join with this group that is, is the Wild Arabian Onadan and ultimately at the end of the day.

00:33:43.399 - 00:34:05.723 They they won't win that battle and Islam will have its day in in the the part of the in in the outplane of what's gonna happen around the Sunday law as well. So I think there's a direct correlation with Wokism and what's going on in the Greek influence.

00:34:05.723 - 00:34:13.517 And it started on our college campuses where the Greek Form of education, you know, is very rampant.

00:34:13.517 - 00:34:22.893 Amen, that's how Mark's always did it. You always start with the youth. They're more angsts, they have more proclivity to revolution.

00:34:22.893 - 00:34:24.015 In the.

00:34:24.015 - 00:34:43.159 I agree completely. Brother Jeff I would also add to that, that modern wokeism is equal to the globalist imposition of a new morality and culture. It goes on to say that the globalist woke is a movement, is the modern manifestation of.

00:34:43.159 - 00:35:16.657 Of the solucid imposition of Greek culture. Wokeism represents the attempt to force a new morality, a new culture, and a new religion upon the world. It seeks to destroy the foundation of Christian civilization, just as anticos effesys attempted to helenonize the Jews globalism attempts to woke eyes the world.

00:35:16.657 - 00:35:23.500 Clayton brother Clayton, are you listening? I have a question for you.

00:35:23.500 - 00:35:25.719 Go ahead.

00:35:25.719 - 00:35:41.881 The author that you referred to that lived just prior to the French revolution that all the people that comment on the French revolution use as their point of reference. What is his name?

00:35:44.814 - 00:35:48.398 I, I don't know how long ago we had this conversation.

00:35:48.398 - 00:36:19.019 Yeah, ok, so anyway, Clayton came across the Bible, for the French revolution. The guy that wrote this one book, he was living living in the time period just before the French revolution. And when he was reading through that book, not so long ago here, he was sharing that the man that was documenting, the historian that was documenting the various things that brought about the French revolution.

00:36:19.019 - 00:36:39.019 That he's the point of reference for all the other historical commentators on the French revolution. They're always referring to this person, but the point of it was, is that everything that we see going on in the woke movement today was going on just prior to.

00:36:39.019 - 00:37:22.152 The French rel revolution and when I say everything, I mean everything. You know, wife's keeping their own names, putting new definition on words, breaking down the, the morality in terms of, you know, homosexuals on and on and on it it's the point is, is what we're seeing in modern wokism is identical to what will led to the French revolution. I don't know how to pull this off. Maybe I have to cut down the amount of questions, but time just keeps flying flying away. I'm gonna go to number six just my opinion worry about.

00:37:25.399 - 00:37:45.599 Do you notice though that on this we have, you know, roughly 40 to 50 people that are participating typically. A lot of people listen to it afterwards, ok, whether you're aware of that or not. But out of the 40 or 50 of us, there's really only a handful of us that are, that are interacting.

00:37:45.599 - 00:38:02.189 And those of us that are interacting, we like to interact, but the other 35 or so, 40 people there, I'm not certain that they appreciate going long. Maybe they do. That's why I was saying earlier, we need some input.

00:38:02.189 - 00:38:30.678 So we can if you want me to walk through this slowly fine, but I know what's ahead. Okay, I know I still have some information to get through after this, but let me move to number six and why is it important to recognize that both the macapies and the Pharrisees came out of the same revote yet produced very different spiritual fruit?

00:38:30.678 - 00:38:36.761 Do you realize they're the same line? Go ahead.

00:38:36.761 - 00:38:54.240 So the both the Macabines and the Pharisees came out of the same revolt against Antiaka sympathesisty. Macabines began by defending truth, but the Farisees were the final product of the same movement.

00:38:54.240 - 00:39:17.520 The history of the Macabes and the Pariseese illustrate how a reformation can generate into formalism and perse per persecution. Now I know I know I haven't really answered the question there, but that's the setting up of it.

00:39:17.520 - 00:39:35.060 Okay, let me do something here. Let me interrupt you for a second. If you can see the screen, I just typed in and it's spelled wrong epiphanies, ok? If anyone out there wants to correct me.

00:39:35.060 - 00:39:40.615 Yeah epiphanies. Sorry. Thank you.

00:39:42.062 - 00:39:44.815 It's that's right. Thank you. Okay.

00:39:44.815 - 00:39:48.558 Okay, so this is how it sounds.

00:39:48.558 - 00:39:49.579 Yeah, ok, go ahead.

00:39:49.579 - 00:39:55.740 Okay, so, did, did the domin the the domin.

00:39:55.740 - 00:40:13.410 Let's see the the let's see the 1st and last principles of the movement. So the 1st, so we also have Alpha the mega, the 1st and the last principles of the movement, the way the movement began illustrates how it will end. The Macabes began with matthias.

00:40:13.410 - 00:40:33.410 Defending the law of God, the Phariseese ended by using, by, by uniting. So let me read that again. The the phariseese ended by uniting with Rome to crucify the law giver. So those were that was the fruit of it. It it was.

00:40:33.410 - 00:40:44.821 They started out, they thought they were defending god's truth, which you could probably define that better than how I did, but in the end, they ended up crucifying the log air request.

00:40:44.821 - 00:40:47.213 Least, but it wasn't the end.

00:40:47.213 - 00:41:04.556 And then the Mac could be revoked by resisting the abomination and ended ended by producing the very people who put Christ on the cross.

00:41:04.556 - 00:41:06.681 Okay, but that wasn't the end.

00:41:06.681 - 00:41:13.936 Okay, ok, why Is I'm gonna let somebody else help me help me out there.

00:41:13.936 - 00:41:43.178 That's what you're saying. And you're saying that's the end and I get your point. And what I'm doing as I'm saying the real end was the destruction of jerusalem, where they were wiped out. So the beginning is they came into an alliance with Rome and at the end Rome wipes them out.

00:41:43.178 - 00:42:01.298 Oh man, Amen. The spiritual fruit changed from defense of truth to persecution of truth. Yet the movement was the same. This is the danger of trusting and political power instead of God. Thank you for that Joe. Amen.

00:42:01.298 - 00:42:07.918 Yes. Okay. Okay, are you talking about John.

00:42:07.918 - 00:42:10.102 You're you're kind of.

00:42:10.102 - 00:42:16.040 Were you talk, were you, were you referring to Volter?

00:42:16.040 - 00:42:23.501 No, NO. This is a, a s a person that was straight.

00:42:23.501 - 00:42:29.744 Yeah with Alter and and Payne both wrote extensively about that Daniel, you're right.

00:42:29.744 - 00:42:35.661 Yeah, but that's not the guy that you're, what you were referring to.

00:42:35.661 - 00:42:41.875 Also, the pronunciation the epiphany is that's the way it's always been pronounced.

00:42:42.694 - 00:43:20.923 Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay, those who pronounce it epiphanes are they're pronouncing it according to the English manner of pronunciation in our own English words, but it's not epiphana, epiphanes. It might look like that in our manner of English words, but it's epiphanies. That's the way it's always been pronounced pronounced wrong then.

00:43:20.923 - 00:43:42.637 Yeah I always pronounced it, but we came across a, anyway, go ahead. This how you pronounce his name is not important as long as we all know who it is. Brother John was pretty far away from how we have commonly pronounced it. That's all I was.

00:43:42.637 - 00:43:48.210 Yeah, yeah. I realized that it's just that's such a minor importance compared to everything else.

00:43:48.210 - 00:44:07.762 But I was basically going to just say that, all of our educational systems both in America and Europe probably worldwide is based on Greek education. I mean 909I would say 99 % of it are all all of it. Yes.

00:44:07.762 - 00:44:12.982 And what, where's the symbol of that found?

00:44:12.982 - 00:44:20.879 Okay I'm not sure what they're asking because.

00:44:20.879 - 00:44:26.478 You guys have.

00:44:26.478 - 00:44:35.921 Yeah, the the relationship between the Greeks and the and the and the Jews. Are you, are you referring to that? No, I was talking about.

00:44:35.921 - 00:44:50.920 The Nashville and the Temple of Athena or whatever her name is. But go ahead. You have more to say? No.

00:44:51.921 - 00:45:09.900 Okay, number seven, how does the timing of the league with Rome help us to understand progressive nature of the image of the beast formation leading to the Sunday law?

00:45:09.900 - 00:45:17.560 Okay, NO, and.

00:45:17.560 - 00:45:34.490 In 1604 BC, the temple was cleansed and rededication, which is the history of three years after the temple was cleansed in 1601.

00:45:34.490 - 00:45:58.250 Made a league with Rome, so I think that's answering the question is because how does the timing and the league? So it takes three years, it's it's it's progressive, it's not overnight. The league with Rome was not made during the heat of the persecution. It was made after.

00:45:58.250 - 00:46:03.390 After the victory, after the reformation.

00:46:03.390 - 00:46:23.390 And, let's see. There's a parallel here, I think it's important to withdraw out that 1st the abnomination of destination and back in 1607 BC, then the cleansing in 1604 BC then we have the legal.

00:46:23.390 - 00:46:32.022 Roman and that again that's a three year period from 1601 to 01:58 BC. Then the Pharisses appear as.

00:46:32.022 - 00:46:33.801 Is persecute.

00:46:33.801 - 00:46:47.118 Power. And the Farisees came out of the Macabian movement, and I think we might have missed that back when we were talking about the other questions, but that's important to know that because that's a message for our time.

00:46:47.118 - 00:46:53.039 Wait, you need to remember there, there's a another level there.

00:46:53.039 - 00:46:59.276 It doesn't seem like to me that all of us are on, are really on the same page here.

00:46:59.276 - 00:47:14.518 I hear someone talking, but, the the Macabeese begin the hazmonian dynasty. That that's what their their period of rulership was. But that doesn't go.

00:47:16.821 - 00:47:44.524 Before, you get to Christ time, the dynasty changes to the herodian dynasty. There's two dynasties that are in that history that lead to the pharisees and the ultimate destructions. It's the same line, but it's two steps, assummonia and then heroian. And the herodian is s definitely locked into the Sunday law.

00:47:44.524 - 00:47:46.839 Because it was.

00:47:46.839 - 00:48:04.839 Word that tries to kill Christ as a baby and then it's his son or his grandson's son, it's his progenity that does participate in the crucial fiction. Who, who's talking there like that? You either need to mute or.

00:48:04.839 - 00:48:07.540 That's that's Henry.

00:48:07.540 - 00:48:25.500 Yeah, I raised up my hand. I wanted to say something about question seven yeah when when we read Daniel 1123, we, We see that.

00:48:25.500 - 00:48:44.220 It says after the league room will work best fully and do what his fathers has not done and his father father. So in the lateral history went after the jews, formed league with the romans.

00:48:44.220 - 00:49:00.750 They think they are being protected by the rumors but before they realized the rumors take control over them so this this leadified our time whereby the church thoughts.

00:49:00.750 - 00:49:30.699 Forming alliance with the states, that's joining handled and johnny Hans with the they have maybe they have a peaceful, you know, religion but as deceived and Herod was deceived the same way that we deceived. And then, yeah. So it's a it's a progressive so that's why.

00:49:30.699 - 00:49:44.757 Yeah, I I think progression is a key. Sister White talks about the formation. It's not a singular event, it is a period of time.

00:49:44.757 - 00:49:48.080 I was going to add that.

00:49:48.080 - 00:49:49.722 I was going to add.

00:49:49.722 - 00:50:04.823 Number seven that mega or Mega ism, is being brought progressively to the image of the beast, the combination of church's state, and they don't even realize it.

00:50:04.823 - 00:50:16.050 You know, I agree with you. Last Sabath, I made a point there's a a spirit of propsy quote where you can, you can see that sister White.

00:50:16.050 - 00:50:36.050 Is saying that the United States began as a Christian nation, and then Daniel, the Daniel while there's two Daniel's been speaking here. Daniel that interacts with me on a regular basis over here, he sent me an AT Jones article, and it's not the only place where AT Jones deals with this subject.

00:50:36.050 - 00:50:53.910 But 80 Jones goes into great effort to show that the United States was, was not a Christian nation, he's not, I should say is not a Christian nation, but he's really not denying, I don't believe what I was claiming, what, what he's saying is that.

00:50:53.910 - 00:51:13.910 The Catholic Church points to Christopher Columbus as the one that discovered America and that he was a representative of the Catholic church. So the Catholic Church claims that America has always been a Christian nation because the Catholic Church professes to be Christian, ok?

00:51:13.910 - 00:51:34.380 So AT Jones spent time letting people know that the argument that this is a Christian nation, therefore we need to have a sunday law isn't based upon Christianity, it's based upon catholicisms resting of what the meaning of a true Christian is.

00:51:34.380 - 00:51:50.550 So we need to be careful about making that distinction, but it's exactly what we're seeing today in the political leadership of the United States. They're, they're Catholics majority of catholics, but they profess to be Christians.

00:51:50.550 - 00:52:06.150 But there is NO way Catholic is a Christian nevertheless, the United States began as a Christian nation because of the prophetic characteristic of the United States as it begins as a lamb and ends up speaking as a dragon.

00:52:06.150 - 00:52:25.140 So I'm not opposing the emphasis of AT Jones that he was making during the time period of the Sunday law crisis in the United States. If you're gonna call this a Christian nation, then technically you need to make sure you make the distinction between a Christian.

00:52:25.140 - 00:52:45.140 And Christianity and catholicism because what began upon Christian principles, it gets turned aside and maybe it got turned aside in 1798 because of the alien and sedition acts, but certainly by 1844.

00:52:45.140 - 00:53:04.470 When the protestants fell and became the daughters of babelin, the Christianity of this nation was NO longer Christianity. It was professed Christianity under the umbrella of catholicism, and it is today in a big way.

00:53:04.470 - 00:53:28.138 Yeah, if you follow that, number eight in the same, if the same principles that that engine is really doing with rome or repeating today, what practical lessons should the hundred and 44000 be learning right now?

00:53:28.138 - 00:53:38.796 That we're gonna go into a league with Rome, well, the United States is gonna go into a league with Rome at some point here in the near future.

00:53:38.796 - 00:53:40.441 Maybe already is.

00:53:40.441 - 00:53:43.596 Or it's going on in secrecy as we speak.

00:53:43.596 - 00:53:57.418 Yeah, that's just so and we have Reagan, the 1st of the eight presidents. He's the 1st trumps the last and it was clearly a secret alliance in the time period of Reagan.

00:54:00.458 - 00:54:03.343 Yep. Afterwards. Yep.

00:54:09.620 - 00:54:13.587 Go ahead, the.

00:54:13.587 - 00:54:38.120 While the league was as a result of oppression from the Solucas rulers, so I'm wondering what might parallel the solution oppression that would lead to searching for security under the protection of Rome.

00:54:38.120 - 00:54:43.981 Who is the solution?

00:54:43.981 - 00:54:46.641 It was a formal.

00:54:49.260 - 00:54:51.343 King of the south.

00:54:51.343 - 00:55:02.058 No, it wasn't. Greek government, it was the Greek government. The king of the southwest of Egyptian. The solutions were Greek.

00:55:06.041 - 00:55:22.020 Well, if they come out of Alexander, the great skingdom, one, they're both greeke, but one sound one more. But the solutions, my point is who what is their modern influence?

00:55:22.020 - 00:55:47.961 We've already discussedm. Wokism. So when you ask the question, what is it that's going to push the products of the United States to come together with Rome that has been tipified by the soluced's Greek influence, well you can see it every day in the news. It's just wokism.

00:55:47.961 - 00:56:16.850 And that's what's pushing the Christians to push that we're a Christian nation and we've always been a Christian nation, and we need to go back to our Christian heritage and roots. That is the motivating factor largely. Yes, and, and, and because them is also importing radical Islam into the country, and so we see all these things pointing to this response that's taking place amongst the, what would you call it, not just.

00:56:16.850 - 00:56:27.436 Just apostate protestantism, but you see the whole cabinet, either it's Catholic or it's, I forget the lady's name who, who runs Trump's division of his.

00:56:27.436 - 00:56:29.875 Religiously.

00:56:29.875 - 00:56:57.788 No, it's not really just freedom. I forget the lady's name, but they're very much spiritualist as far as I can tell, they're not really Christian at all, but they they're pushing the whole re erecting the the temple in Jerusalem and they believe the 70 weeks is down at the end of the world and that we, you know, that whole group that's being pushed very heavily in the trump's cabinet, in fact.

00:57:06.059 - 00:57:08.300 Someone else. I see it now.

00:57:08.300 - 00:57:35.630 I agree that is a part of the Greek influence, but the Greeks are a symbol for the one world government which in my estimation is the UN and Ifram is also a part of the UN. I believe that's gonna have a factor in this in this final leave with the paper shape.

00:57:35.630 - 00:57:39.015 What's wrong?

00:57:39.015 - 00:57:59.120 Yeah. Recently there's been, you know, articles or whatever coming out showing people in Iran are saying the way that Islam took over Iran was through the same process of liberalism using Islam to push its agenda, but Islam ends upon.

00:57:59.120 - 00:58:20.480 Ends on top of the the heap when it's all said and done and it's repeating in our history, the democrats, the liberals are cozy enough to Islam thinking that they can use it to destroy magasm and what they're gonna find out is they are not gonna be the ones.

00:58:20.480 - 00:58:27.820 To prevail in that correct relationship and that's in the Union.

00:58:27.820 - 00:59:01.015 Another reason is because Isaac 4087 says I'll break us the ships of Tarshish with an east wing and witney and and when the economics of the US go down, you can town on if they're going to reach out to the one person they think is going to be able to save them to who they think is God's representative. So it just seems rational that that's.

00:59:02.121 - 00:59:06.196 I made you empty. I'm actually get it.

00:59:06.196 - 00:59:27.960 So Jeff, can you help me to understand? So what I'm hearing is wokism, working with Muslims, and then in the end the Muslims turn on them because clearly the like the the things that they disagree about are huge, like.

00:59:27.960 - 00:59:46.958 You know, LBGT and all that stuff. And so in the end, the Muslims are gonna actually turn and on them and the parallel, what's the parallel in Christ time? I know that sounds like a stupid question probably, but can you tell me that?

00:59:46.958 - 00:59:54.056 I've never thought about it in those terms. What's the parallel in life's, in Christ time?

00:59:54.056 - 00:59:57.004 With Sadjuses.

00:59:57.004 - 01:00:19.700 The sadjaceses are the liberals, but how do they use Islam to their advantage in that history? Sadjaceses pharises. Good question. Someone out there must have an answer for you sister miller.

01:00:19.700 - 01:00:24.570 Sure.

01:00:24.570 - 01:00:44.570 I can't help you with it right now, I'd have to think that one through. Alright, what I've seen now is I've tried to push, and it took an hour to get through these eight questions and if everyone's happy with that, that's fine, then we're gonna have to.

01:00:44.570 - 01:01:10.070 To determine that Saba School is 1 h long from here going forward. But I have two questions to answer before the sermon and the the questions, the answers to the questions are gonna be a little bit long winded because they contain some diagrams, so.

01:01:10.070 - 01:01:28.760 So, let's bring this to a conclusion. I see there's some hands, but you just have to be, I have to take a draw it to a conclusion Who go ahead. The two hands, if you have some thoughts, bring it to a conclusion with your, your comment.

01:01:28.760 - 01:01:32.850 Just Real quick but Jeff I'll throw it out there. I have nothing, but.

01:01:32.850 - 01:01:52.850 Good things to say, so I think it's ok to to put it out there over the airways rather than right into a suggestion. And that is number one, starting Savith a little earlier. I'm sorry I'm sorry Savith school a little earlier. And, and number two, I think this is great, this this format that we're using, the eight questions that.

01:01:52.850 - 01:02:07.980 Kind of thing for group study has really made me study and I hope that a lot of people are experiencing that. So I have nothing but good things to say about what we're doing.

01:02:07.980 - 01:02:27.980 Okay, let's have a word of prayer. Heavenly father, we thank you for this at a school. We thank you for the direction you're taking us and we ask for your continued blessing and the following question and answers and sermon.

01:02:27.980 - 01:02:43.590 We want a blessing upon this sabath day. We have brothers and sisters around the world that are understanding this message, that are sharing this message. We ask that you bless them with more understanding and that you would open doors according to your will for them.

01:02:43.590 - 01:03:03.570 To promote this message that many souls might be brought to the light of truth before probation closes, and we thank you for allowing us to participate in this work and ask that she would give us a little refreshing before we take up the questions and answers now in Jesus name.

01:03:03.570 - 01:03:19.650 Amen. Okay, I'm gonna go right into the questions and when we get done with the questions, then we'll take a break before the summon.

01:03:19.650 - 01:03:39.650 Okay number one. Elder Jeff, I'm by the way, the notes that you're seeing on your screen now that I have, they'll be available later on today. I didn't get him to Clayton in time for him to get him where they're.

01:03:39.650 - 01:03:42.210 We're available, but he'll do that afterwards.

01:03:42.210 - 01:04:02.210 So if you want to look relook at the, the notes we just went through and the notes we're going to go through now, they'll be available probably the end of the day. Question number one, Elder Jeff I'm having trouble finding a visual diagram of the spring and fall feast.

01:04:03.270 - 01:04:23.250 I need to see where the line begins with the 14th day at even passover and goes through to the 50th day or feast of weeks. I'm confused where the three five day periods separated by the 30 day period followed by the next three five day periods are in the sequence of events that are literal during the time of Christ.

01:04:23.250 - 01:04:42.480 I would like to see the seven holy convocations identified in that diagram as well. I know that the 15th begins the feast of unleven Bread and the 16th is the Barley 1st fruit offering followed by seven weeks or 49 days to the 50th day or pentacost.

01:04:42.480 - 01:05:00.660 When I, when I go for an example to article 43 of Joel, the three steps of the Trumpet Ascension and judgment are one way mark and three steps just as in the beginning of the history where one way mark was represented with the death.

01:05:00.660 - 01:05:17.940 Very own resurrection. The three step test at the end is the litmus test that proceeds by five days the Pentacostal sundy law. I cannot follow your train of thought because I'm not established in the seq in a sequence of events during the time of Christ where I can say oh yeah.

01:05:17.940 - 01:05:36.420 That's where and what Jeff is talking about. I've been through and watched all of hibacic series videos, but I have NO clue which one would address the spring and fall feast. We didn't do that much in hebacic's tables. Continuing on, i've tried to do a search, but NO luck. I'm.

01:05:36.420 - 01:05:51.570 In my old age, I have difficulty with random access memory. So do I? If I had studied a sequence of events and have a visual to help me, I usually can randomly access that visual. Great if you can help me, brother are.

01:05:51.570 - 01:06:11.570 My brother are Libiticuus 23 lists seven feast or appointed times and eight holy convocation sacred assemblies. Then here is a graph for you. The feast in appointed times in Leviticus 23 are listed in that column and then the day.

01:06:11.570 - 01:06:17.280 Days are here and then the Holycom vocations are here and it's identifies whether these are.

01:06:17.280 - 01:06:33.180 The feasts that are identified are holy convocations or not. You notice the one that says on leven bread, the 3rd one down from feast, and under holy convocation, it says yes, 1st and 7th, the 1st day.

01:06:33.180 - 01:06:53.180 The 15th and the 21st were both holy convocations, so there's two there and the same with the feast of tabernackles. So you can, you can consider that at your own leisure, and of course this isn't going to be available for until a while after this presentation.

01:06:53.180 - 01:07:09.360 Remember, I prepared some, some visuals for you. And as I was preparing the visuals, these charts, some, some kind of glitch in this.

01:07:09.360 - 01:07:25.740 Program has happened, so I lost some of them. I'm not too threatened by that. I had ten, I don't have ten now, but I I will walk through this for you and for everyone else who rather are. I hope this helps.

01:07:25.740 - 01:07:45.150 The 1st visual, you see here, if you, I hope you can see this, this line on top where I just put the X is the breakdown of the 2520 that begins in 07:23 and ends in 1798 and right in the dead center is 05:38 and it produces.

01:07:45.150 - 01:08:01.110 3.5 and 3.5 1260 years 1260 years between 07:23 05:38 and then again 5381798 and it aligns with.

01:08:01.110 - 01:08:21.110 Christ confirmation of the covenant for one week from 8027 to 34 and in the midst of that week in 31, he was crucified and instead of 1260 years like the 2520, I'm looking at this line right now.

01:08:21.110 - 01:08:35.400 Was 1260 days, three and a half years, both here and here. So all I'm doing now is just leading down some foundational arguments for your question about Labiticuus 20 threes.

01:08:35.400 - 01:08:53.520 These. So in 8027, Christ is baptized, ok, and in the the baptism itself, you have his death, his burial and his resurrection symbolized in one event.

01:08:53.520 - 01:09:13.110 And then of course he goes out and, is tempted of Satan for 40 days, and I marked this here. I I realized this, this morning that the, he begins his.

01:09:13.110 - 01:09:29.970 His 1st miracle is at a feast, at where he turns the water into the wine, ok? And I'm I'm marking that because we're gonna see in this parallel these three steps of 8027.

01:09:29.970 - 01:09:45.390 Of the baptism death burial and resurrection that tipify the cross his burial and resurrection are also followed in five days by the feast of unloved and bread. This the part.

01:09:45.390 - 01:10:05.390 2nd holy convocation of that seven days. But in this line here, you have three steps followed by a feast and then in 31 AD at the cross, you have three steps, you have his actual death, burial and resurrection.

01:10:05.390 - 01:10:10.560 Then here's where the fees come in. You have pass over here is his death.

01:10:10.560 - 01:10:26.070 His burial is the feast of unleven bread. Unlevened bread does not rise and he did not rise on the savest day, and then you have his resurrection, which is the 1st fort roots. This is aligning with this.

01:10:26.070 - 01:10:42.000 So in this history here, you have 1260 days, you have this history here, which was tippied by this history. And in this history down here that we're looking at right now.

01:10:42.000 - 01:10:57.300 You have a beginning way mark of a baptism that represents three steps ultimately leading to his 1st miracle at the changing the water to wine that leads to the cross.

01:10:57.300 - 01:11:12.810 His burial, his resurrection that is followed by the ending of the feast of unleb and bread. But all these three steps in 31 BC, they are the their Lavidicus 23, they're the beginning of the spring feast in Lavidicus 23.

01:11:12.810 - 01:11:32.810 So when you get to the Pentacostal season, that sister white calls calls it from which begins here at the feast of unloved and bread, 50 days takes you to pentacost. Then you see in the Pentacostal season that it begins.

01:11:32.810 - 01:11:51.900 Ends with three way marks, five days later, the end of the feast of unleven bread, and it ends with three way marks that come before pentacost. Pentacost is over here.

01:11:51.900 - 01:12:08.970 And there's five days in between. So what what I'm saying is independent Costle season, you have a beginning and an ending that speak to each other. So, that's slide number one.

01:12:08.970 - 01:12:28.970 Slide number two, and by the way, one of the things I learned, which I'm happy about is I now know how to put the text in without having to write them with a mouse, ok? So as we proceed through these slides, you'll see that I've got that figured out. There's more to figure out and I will do that in the future.

01:12:28.970 - 01:12:47.880 Sure now we're looking at the cross, the time period of the cross, which is the spring feast, and you have the 1st way mark of passover followed by the feast of unlove and bread, followed by the feast of 1st fruits, ok? And from the feast of 1st fruits right here.

01:12:47.880 - 01:13:05.250 Our 1st fruits, you're gonna, you're gonna project all the way up here to pentacost. Pentacost meaning 50, ok? But this feast of unlevened bread that begins between passover and 1st fruits.

01:13:05.250 - 01:13:23.220 The Barley 1st fruit offering. This feast of unlevened bread was to be seven days long, so the 1st day is the holy convocation. 2nd day is 1st fruits and then five days later, it takes you to the end of the feast of.

01:13:23.220 - 01:13:41.190 Unlevened bread, and that's what creates this period of five days in here, ok? Now I maybe moving too quickly, but I'm gonna keep moving.

01:13:41.190 - 01:13:56.910 The I'm gonna go slow on showing you how we construct the three one combination at the end of the Pantacostal season. The three one combination at the beginning is passover, unleven bread.

01:13:56.910 - 01:14:16.620 1st fruits, five days later, and the 1st fruits, ok? The fall festivals, you have the feast of trumpets and ten days later you have the day of atonement, ok? And five days later, you have the feast of tavernacles.

01:14:16.620 - 01:14:33.690 In the Pentacostal season, the 50 days of the Pentacostal season from the 1st route Barley offering until the 1st route weed offering at Pentacost.

01:14:33.690 - 01:14:49.590 It's divided into two periods by the teachings of Christ. He 1st taught for 40 days face to face with the disciples, and then here he assins to heaven.

01:14:49.590 - 01:15:05.400 And now the disciples go into the upper room for ten days, ok? So what I'm saying is this structure here, the Pentacostal season, it's gonna get combined with not only the fall feast here.

01:15:05.400 - 01:15:25.140 But also the spring feast, we're gonna bring these three lines together in Labiticuus 23. Okay. Labiticus 23 and I'm leaving the Labiticus 23 is like.

01:15:25.140 - 01:15:45.140 It's like a diamond that has a bunch of cuts in it and every time you look at it there's another sparkle that comes from this place or that place. I'm leaving lots of those sparkles off of Libiticus 23. And by that I mean, it's 44 versus dealing with the number 44, ok? 1844 it all by its.

01:15:45.140 - 01:15:47.370 Now the fact that it's 44 verses.

01:15:47.370 - 01:16:07.370 Is telling you something, but it's divided exactly in the middle, 22 verses for the spring fees, and 22 verses for the fall fees, sort of like the story of revelation nine where you have 15 verses for the 1st low and 15 verses for the.

01:16:07.370 - 01:16:13.980 Second wall, the chapter is divided exactly into and it's divided into 22 verses.

01:16:13.980 - 01:16:33.000 And 22 is a symbol of the combination of humanity and divinity. It's the tide of 220 on and on and on. So this that's some of the things that shine out of Levidicus 23 is that it's 44 verses long.

01:16:33.000 - 01:16:53.000 But it's talking about the spring feast in 22 verses and the fall feast in 22 verses. It begins Libiticus 23 begins by identifying the 7th day sabath, and it ends by identifying the sabath, which some can argue.

01:16:53.000 - 01:17:11.670 Who I'm twisting, but I'm not. It isn't the 7th day saboth, it's a 7th year saboth because when you bring these lines together, what lines? The line of the spring feast, the line of the fall feast, and the panacostal season, you're illustrating the end of the world.

01:17:11.670 - 01:17:31.670 And the end of the world that is marked at the close of human probation is the jubileyee. And the Jubiley trumpet that was to be sounded on the day of atonement, they were to be sounded together is identifying the earth made new, the end of the world and.

01:17:31.670 - 01:17:51.600 And this structure that we're seeing takes you to the end of the world, that trumpet, that saboth at the end is the saboth that symbolizes the Jubilee trumpet, which is the 2520. So, the Sabath day here at the beginning of Lavidicus.

01:17:51.600 - 01:18:07.530 23 and the Sabath year here at the end are the bookings for 23.

01:18:07.530 - 01:18:27.530 And it is you know it's it's so much more than simply that. You can show if you're willing to see that this saboth here and this sabboth here are the two covering sheriffs that are gazing down into the arc. That's one of the the sparkles.

01:18:27.530 - 01:18:32.280 In this diamond that we're not taking time to look at, so I'm just emphasizing.

01:18:32.280 - 01:18:50.400 The profundity of this chapter. So in these two 1st 22 verses, this is the 1st 22 verses of the 23. This is 2nd 22 verses. You have the spring feast in the 1st 22 and the fall feast in 2nd 22 verses.

01:18:50.400 - 01:19:09.330 And in the spring feast you have the early rain, and in the fall feast you have the ladder rain, and the early rain was pentacost and the ladder rain is tabernacles. Okay, so when we bring these together and we're gonna bring them together.

01:19:09.330 - 01:19:25.680 We're gonna be paralleling a statement in the Bible that says I will give you the former early rain and the latter rain in the 1st month they get brought together, ok? And that's, that's what we're going to do is we're gonna bring the.

01:19:25.680 - 01:19:43.680 Spring and fall fees together. That's not the one I want. I want number five. Okay, here's where I learned how to, use the text.

01:19:43.680 - 01:19:59.400 And, and I'm, I guess I gotta I have all all of it on there. I don't think I'm missing I'm missing some. I don't know. How would I do that? Let me see. Ah, there we go. Got it figured out. Okay.

01:19:59.400 - 01:20:19.400 Here's where we're line up online what we're gonna do if I can get this centered, ok. The Penacostal season up here for 40 days cry after Christ was resurrected, he ascended to the father, he came back down to the upper room and greed up.

01:20:19.400 - 01:20:38.580 Did the disciples, he met the road, the disciples on the road to Amaz and for 40 days, he taught the disciples face to face, and at the end of the 40 days, he ascended, ok? And then for ten days, the disciples are in the upper room.

01:20:39.600 - 01:20:59.600 But anyway, there are differences coming into unity, and this leads to pentacost. Okay, this is the Pentacostal season and the expression Pentacostal season is used by sister White. We're gonna bring this line of the Pentacostal season, this one here, together with the spring.

01:20:59.600 - 01:21:08.550 Face and the fall feast. And the spring fees begin with this symbol of the three one combination.

01:21:08.550 - 01:21:23.910 The spring feast of Passover unlevened bread and 1st fruits is the three. And because the unlove and bread, the feast of unlevened bread was for seven days. The 1st day was here, the 7th day was here.

01:21:23.910 - 01:21:40.260 That creates five days between this 3rd way mark of 1st fruits and the conclusion of the feast of unloved and bread. And from here, you'd go.

01:21:40.260 - 01:21:58.170 To pentacost, which means 50. That's the spring fees. The fall fees, you have the feast of trumpets and ten days later you have the day of atonement.

01:21:58.170 - 01:22:17.730 And five days later you have the feast of tabbernackles. Let me see if I can skip this just a little bit. There you go. So, our job as a student of prophecy is to bring these three lines together line up online, ok? So.

01:22:17.730 - 01:22:36.300 The confusions that I have produced in you from article, the article you referred to, this is where, where it all starts coming together. I've given you the, the backdrop for it. Now I'm gonna try pulling these lines together one by one, and this was.

01:22:36.300 - 01:22:53.550 I I'm gonna close this out, was that five and that was five, six, ok. Combining the lines.

01:22:56.310 - 01:23:16.260 Alright, now we're gonna combine them. So, up here, the spring Feast and the Penacostal season, we're bringing the Penacostal season which gives us 40 days of Christ teaching its disciples followed by ten days in the upper room.

01:23:16.260 - 01:23:32.460 And at the end of the 40 days you have the ascension. At the beginning of the 40 days you have these, the death burial resurrection followed by five days and then the end of the feast of unleven bread. The.

01:23:32.460 - 01:23:49.950 1st fruit, Barley 1st fruit offering projects 50 days to pendicous, and in this 50 day period, 40 days face to face instruction ten days in the upper room. And the way mark that divides the 40 from the ten is Christ Ascension.

01:23:49.950 - 01:24:05.280 And it comes ten days before pentacost. So, we're going to bring, as the key to bring these lines together, we're gonna take pentacost, which was.

01:24:05.280 - 01:24:21.210 The early rain, together with tabernacles, which is the ladder rain. And we are gonna bring that we're gonna use that way mark of both pentacost and tabernacles.

01:24:21.210 - 01:24:40.470 As the way mark that allows us to bring these lines together. Okay, so before the feast of tabranacles, you had the feast of trumpets and then ten days later the day of atonement.

01:24:40.470 - 01:24:56.910 And before the feast of tabernacles was five days. Okay, so I'm gonna take and bring this penacost here, which is marked here and align it with tabernacles right here.

01:25:01.110 - 01:25:20.010 And this is one of the glitches in the program that happened to me today. So when it didn't save it for some reason, when you bring these lines together.

01:25:20.010 - 01:25:37.740 You have death burial resurrection, pass over, unlevened bread, 1st fruits, five days later, you have the end of the season of 1st fruits.

01:25:37.740 - 01:25:57.740 But right here, you also have the beginning of the 50 days, I'm gonna put it here, the 50 days that lead to pentacost, but pentacosts.

01:25:57.740 - 01:26:17.670 Is also cabbernacles. They're the same thing. One is the early rain, one is the ladder rain. One is the spring feast, one is the fall fees. So when we bring the feast of caberinacles.

01:26:17.670 - 01:26:37.320 When we align it, line up online with Pentacus, we find that five days before the feast of taberranackles was the day of atonement and ten days.

01:26:37.320 - 01:26:53.790 Before the day of a tonet was the feast of trumpets, ok, but here.

01:26:53.790 - 01:27:09.270 In this line here, in the, what sister White calls the Penacostal season, you have 40 days that Christ teaches face to face.

01:27:09.270 - 01:27:25.680 And then he ascends, and he ascends right here at the end of 40 days, this is his ascension. So what that does.

01:27:25.680 - 01:27:42.210 From Trumpets to the atonement is ten days, but from the fees to 1st fruits to his ascension is 40 days and this way mark of his ascension produces five days.

01:27:42.210 - 01:27:59.430 After the trumpets and five days before the day of atonement, it produces these three way marks, the feast of trumpets, the ascension, the atonement, and then five days.

01:27:59.430 - 01:28:16.800 Takes you to the outpouring of the spirit, which is pentacost, and tabernacles combined. Alright, let me see if I have, if I lost the other, seven of ten.

01:28:16.800 - 01:28:36.510 Okay, I lost eight two, but what's nine of ten? Okay, maybe this is this is next step. It maybe confusing my brother Richard. I get that because this is definitely new light.

01:28:36.510 - 01:28:52.440 For adventism, but this structure of here this is taken from the Penacostas season, the 50 days that sister White speaks about that's followed by ten days.

01:28:52.440 - 01:29:12.440 Okay, but this this part over here, this is the spring feast, but the fall feast, which is the feast of trumpets, they also have three way marks followed by fall.

01:29:12.440 - 01:29:18.030 Five, just like the spring feasts have three way marks followed by five to the.

01:29:18.030 - 01:29:37.110 Next way mark. The three way marks in the fall feast or the feast of trumpets and the ascension of Christ and judgment, the day of atonement, followed by five days to the outpouring of the spirit represented by the former and latter rain because its pentacost.

01:29:37.110 - 01:29:53.970 And tabranacles and this is the Pendicastal season. When you get to that point, the, one of the graphs I had, the illustrations I had prepared.

01:29:53.970 - 01:30:09.750 That I lost, would go something like this. Labiticus 23 begins with a saboth. Read it. It's the 7th day saboth. Let me do it this way. Let me be more clear.

01:30:09.750 - 01:30:29.750 The 7th Day Sabath, and if you read, there's a Sabath at the end of Lavidicus 23 that is identified and it's it's only gonna be identified lineup online. I'm not arguing that it says in there that this is the.

01:30:30.270 - 01:30:50.270 The 7th year saba. But what I am arguing that as a student of prophecy, when the angel of Revelation 18 descends, he has a little book in his hand open, but it's really not in revelation 18. We know it from the testimony of the Angel of Revelation Ten that descended with a little book open in this.

01:30:50.270 - 01:31:10.050 Hand and then the further testimony in the spirit of prophecy that each of the angels, the 1st, second, and 3rd angels, all brought with them a message, ok? So that's three witnesses, one of them is doubled that show that when an angel descends, he has a little book in his hand, so we know.

01:31:10.050 - 01:31:30.050 That when the angel descended in revelation 18, you have a little book open in his hand that God's people were to take and eat. So I'm saying that the context of this lineup online presentation that this saboth at the end of Labiticus 23 is the 7th year.

01:31:30.050 - 01:31:48.930 Sabah, ok. And in between these two sabas, ok, we have this three one combination that's represented by.

01:31:48.930 - 01:32:04.049 A break of five, and it ends with a31 combination that's broken by five. And this produces 30 days in the middle. Okay, so this becomes.

01:32:04.049 - 01:32:21.449 The beginning of this line, and this is the end, and the beginning illustrates the end Alpha and omega. In terms of revelation 14, this is the 1st angel.

01:32:21.449 - 01:32:38.399 And this is the 3rd angel. And this would be 2nd angel, and this would be the middle in terms of the Hebrew alphabet, this would be the 1st letter.

01:32:38.399 - 01:32:56.399 This would be the 13th letter, and this would be the 22nd letter. This period here, this 30 days, up here this 30 days.

01:32:56.399 - 01:33:12.059 It's talking about, it's over the period where Christ was teaching face to face his disciples. So in our history, the 1st test.

01:33:12.059 - 01:33:27.899 Is the test of the foundations. 2nd test is this, the temple test where we're to see Christ.

01:33:27.899 - 01:33:43.469 In. As he was teaching the disciples during the 40 days and it leads to the feast of trumpets. The feast of trumpets.

01:33:49.829 - 01:34:06.089 Is the mark of Islam attacking Nashville? And it is the 3rd test. This is the temple test here, the face to face is a temple test.

01:34:06.089 - 01:34:26.089 And this is the litmus test. Okay, so in the litmus test, if you have participated in giving the warning to Nashville, then you are going to manifest at that point that you are on the right side of the issue.

01:34:26.089 - 01:34:32.009 At the very time when the world is turning up on 7th day Adveniss who did not give a warning.

01:34:32.009 - 01:34:47.609 Okay, and we're gonna touch a little bit upon what happens to those 7th day avenues that don't give a warning because they're gonna end up worshipping at the saint's feet, ok? You give that warning and you are the one at the feast of trumpets.

01:34:47.609 - 01:35:07.169 That are the enzine that's gonna get lifted up and this is the ascension. And this is where your judgment closes the day of atonement.

01:35:07.169 - 01:35:27.169 Five days later, the outpoint of the Holy Spirit begins in earnest. So the line of Lavidicus 23, it appolds what we've been teaching through the years about you being sealed before the Sunday law.

01:35:27.169 - 01:35:46.109 And this, three, these three way marks, they may seem to be three distinct events, but they're just like the 1st illustration of this way mark and the 1st illustration of this three one combination in this line.

01:35:46.109 - 01:36:03.989 Was not the cross. This is the cross, and it's the three one combination of his death, a burial and resurrection, and then the end of 1st fruits, but it begins over here at his faptism, where his death burial and resurrection.

01:36:03.989 - 01:36:19.109 Is illustrated as one way mark with three parts. And here down at the end, the beast of trumpets, the ascension, and the judgment is one way mark represented by three.

01:36:19.109 - 01:36:39.109 Followed by five, which takes you to his 1st miracle, turning water to wine, followed by five that takes you to the outpouring of the spirit. I hope that helps and I, I intend to master these.

01:36:39.109 - 01:36:56.129 Illustrations, practice makes perfect, they say I don't know if I'll get perfect, but I'm gonna keep practicing. Okay, second question, and that took 35 min.

01:36:56.129 - 01:37:11.249 And let me go to question number two. This is from last Sabas. We agree on our character being now ready for the Sunday law.

01:37:11.249 - 01:37:26.909 Can any of us say assuredly now that their sins have been blotted out and they are sealed? Please Jeff clarify for me what Ellen White says about the dead from 1844 part of the hundred and 44000.

01:37:26.909 - 01:37:42.479 E White wrote this, the hundred and 44000 are from 1884. We must work while the day lasts, ok, so we got a a quote here. Let me comment on this.

01:37:42.479 - 01:38:02.479 I haven't ever found a place where sister White says the hundred and 44000 are from 1844. Okay, so it's But we'll deal with that. This quote from sister White is a legitimate quote. We must work while the day lasts for when the dark night of trouble in English comes, it will be too late.

01:38:02.479 - 01:38:17.009 Take to work for God. Jesus is still in the holy Temple and will now accept our sacrifices, our prayers, and our confessions or faults and sins, and will now pardon all the transcriptions of Israel that maybe blotted out before he leaves the sanctuary.

01:38:17.009 - 01:38:37.009 When Jesus leaves a sanctuary, then he that is holy and righteous will be holy and righteous steel for all their sins will be blotted out and they will be sealed with the seal of the living God. But those who are on Justin Filty will be on Justin Filty still for then there will be NO priest in the sanctuary to offer their sacrifices their confession.

01:38:37.009 - 01:38:56.279 And their prayers before the father's throne. Therefore, what is done to rescue souls from the coming storm or brath must be done before Jesus leaves the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary. The Lord has shown me that precious souls are starving and dying for want of present ceiling truth.

01:38:56.279 - 01:39:14.249 To meet and do season, and that the swift messenger should speed on their way and feed the flock with the present truth. Those only who have the seal of the living God will be sheltered from the storm of breath that will soon fall on the heads of those who have rejected truth.

01:39:14.249 - 01:39:32.699 Present true September 1849. Now this next quote, it ain't NO quote at all. Those who die under the messages are a part of the hundred and 44000. They are not a hundred and 44000.

01:39:32.699 - 01:39:52.699 In addition to these, but these help make up that number. They are raised to mortal life shortly before Christ comes and are changed to immortality when Christ appears, reviewing Herald 23 September 1880. There is NO comments on my sister Widen reviewing Herald September.

01:39:52.699 - 01:40:01.229 On anything. She didn't write anything in that article, and I took, I took snippets from the supposed.

01:40:01.229 - 01:40:16.229 A passage from sister White and I ran it through the CD Roms trying to find if there was any place where this construction of ideas isn't the writings of Illinois. I can't find it. I don't believe it's there.

01:40:16.229 - 01:40:36.229 Okay, so the next quote is different and we're gonna deal with that. Will those who have died in the hundred and 44000? In reply sister White said, Oh yes, those who have died in the faith will be among the hundred and 44000. I am clear on that matter.

01:40:36.229 - 01:40:54.809 These were the exact words of question and answer as brother Irwin permitted me to copy the copy from his sonographer's report. John Laughboro questions on the ceiling message page 17. The ceiling time is very short and will soon be over early writings.

01:40:54.809 - 01:41:11.489 58. Many thanks E from England. My answer is longer than you would expect. Sister E, their sins have been sealed.

01:41:11.489 - 01:41:31.489 Please Jeff clarify from me what E White says about the dead from 1844 part of the hundred and 44000. E White wrote this, the hundred and 44000 are from 1844I know, I don't know where sister white ever wrote the hundred and 44000 or from 1844. You also placed a paragraph.

01:41:31.489 - 01:41:34.499 And she.

01:41:34.499 - 01:41:51.899 Stated this that we just read from this quote from reviewing Herald that doesn't exist. There is NO commentary from 1880. It doesn't exist. I searched some phrases from the citation.

01:41:51.899 - 01:42:11.339 In the CD CD ROM and find NO reference in the writings of sister White where she wrote those ideas. As far as your initial question, the idea of whether anyone knows whether their sins have been sealed, I am not sure that is a question that actually relates to what was under discussion last Saba.

01:42:11.339 - 01:42:29.879 Our personal experience is not the criteria for defining prophetic truths. I will leave that question alone except to ask what is the anguish of the 144000 during the time of date Jacob's trouble. They had given the ceiling message to the world and then probation closed.

01:42:29.879 - 01:42:49.979 Yet after they gave the ceiling message and 44000 manifested anxiety and uncertainty whether they still had any unconfessed sins. Appears to me that the 144000 during the time of Jacob's trouble lack the confidence to answer your question in the infirmative, even though they know probation has.

01:42:50.000 - 01:43:05.899 I think your question is out of place. To go about asking people if they are saved as not the work of the Holy Spirit, the question should be, do you love God with all your heart? Are you obeying his commandments letter 32 1894?

01:43:05.899 - 01:43:21.560 As for long laughborough's statement in his tract, I have been aware of his position for years and have known many who wish to use his track as a proof of their own ideas, but Laughborough was wrong. Lofborough was wrong.

01:43:21.560 - 01:43:41.560 Whatever slant a person may wish to place on the grammar of Loftborough and elder worman Erwin's testimony, if it does not agree with the bible, then the slant is nothing more than a private interpretation. I personally was blessed by returning to elder loftborough's tract again and recognized truth's.

01:43:41.560 - 01:44:03.050 Connected with the track I had never recognized. For this reason I will use this track as a sermon this sava, so I see God's Providence in your questions. Examine yourselves whether you be in the faith, prove your own selves, know you can know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except you be reprobates.

01:44:03.050 - 01:44:23.050 But I trust that you shall know that we are not reprobates. Now I pray to God that you do know evil, not that we should appear approved, but that you should do that which is honest though we be as reprobates. For we can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. Second Corinthians 13.

01:44:23.050 - 01:44:44.780 538 and I'm saying that the questions that were presented from last Saba's presentation, they were designed to edify the message we're sharing, they were designed to a minimum bring questions into it. And when I went back and look at lofgross track.

01:44:44.780 - 01:45:04.780 I I recognize something that I could never have seen before in the years that I have read that track because I've been confronted with among and with among and with being the words that are used to argue that all those that have died in the faith of the 3rd angel.

01:45:04.780 - 01:45:26.990 So are the hundred, are part of the hundred and 44000. But I don't think you have to see it that way. Continuing on Jeff. So, our sermon today Lord Willing, will be from Lofborough's question on the ceiling message.

01:45:26.990 - 01:45:47.210 And I'm going to contend in the cermon when we get, after we take a break and get started, you know, I I I fully believe I've taught it for years, sister quite since we are to rep repeat she one place she asked a really provocative question for her 7th day admin. She says.

01:45:47.210 - 01:46:05.270 Can the dead live? And then she says yes, they can live again through their writings, and then she goes on to say, we are to repeat the words of the pioneers and that's a paraphrase, but exactly what she says. She places an endorsement upon reading the works.

01:46:05.270 - 01:46:23.240 Of the pioneers of adminism, and this is one of the works of one of the pioneers, and this particular work is often used to either promote an established private interpretation of someone or.

01:46:23.240 - 01:46:41.120 To engender confusion into the discussion of the closed probation, the hundred and 44000 the ceiling. But I had never had a an understanding of the way mark of 1863 before.

01:46:41.120 - 01:46:57.500 And when I read through this and realized what 1863, does in relation to loft Burl's argument about the ceiling, I was blessed. So, I I didn't think the questions were that.

01:46:57.500 - 01:47:15.470 For me, they, I perceive them to be kind of not positive towards what we were studying the opposite of, but I'm thankful for it because I hope when we go through this after we take a break and discermon.

01:47:15.470 - 01:47:31.909 You're gonna see something about what Laughboro taught about the ceiling that hasn't ever been recognized before. So, my answer I've given to 2nd question, but I'm gonna expand the answer.

01:47:31.909 - 01:47:51.589 In the sermon and I think if you're willing to hang in there through the sermon, you'll see a a very nice punch line to it all that that agrees with the message that has been developing since 2023 2024. Shall we pray?

01:47:51.589 - 01:48:13.899 Heavenly Father, we ask that you give us discernment as we look at the words of the pioneers in the context of the ceiling of the hundred and 44000. We ask that you would make this part of the work of the upper room where we're coming into unity one with one another.

01:48:13.899 - 01:48:31.699 Putting aside differences and becoming fully established upon the present truth of this time, which is the message that we are to proclaim to the world. So please give us a refreshing now as we take a short break and, come back.

01:48:31.699 - 01:48:48.889 And take up the sermon in a few minutes in Jesus name. Amen. I'm gonna come back at twelve. My my clock right now says 1149, so I'm gonna take an 11 min break.

01:48:48.889 - 01:49:05.479 And come back, Lord William and take up this sermon.

01:49:12.739 - 01:49:32.659 When man's weighs the maths its worth, and highs what you have shown?

01:49:32.659 - 01:49:52.659 Darkness far, NO scattered hards. Lord, we tremble long that road. Lord, keep us in your truth. Keep.

01:49:52.659 - 01:50:12.659 We was near the cross, wash our hearts from pride, whatever it may call. Lead us back to Jesus lead us through.

01:50:12.659 - 01:50:31.999 The dog, still we see the lovely crying broken bread and then cup of gray.

01:50:31.999 - 01:50:51.999 In the judgement out when he calls? Gather rush to seek your faith. No false time shall be a strange.

01:50:51.999 - 01:51:11.999 Hey Christ in long, ok, read through make us Hungo make us one tell you what he's done and truth.

01:51:11.999 - 01:51:31.999 Thought, keep a seat in your truth. Us near the crowd, wash our hearts from pride, whatever it may cause lead us back.

01:51:31.999 - 01:51:49.039 Back to Jesus bleed us through.

01:52:09.039 - 01:52:29.039 When your truth is all open, the darkness starts to keep us from 1st.

01:52:29.039 - 01:52:51.759 Give us.

01:53:09.199 - 01:53:29.199 Okay. Bye by your emergency.

01:53:29.199 - 01:53:49.199 Cleanse this Trammington.

01:54:29.199 - 01:54:47.479 Open alright. Okay.

01:54:47.479 - 01:55:12.009 Okay Daniel's horning when.

01:55:12.009 - 01:55:34.359 It's the night or storying in our Lord so I'm shout out and take your trembling.

01:55:34.359 - 01:55:54.359 To we have NO time to do Mercy is please stay alone.

01:56:14.359 - 01:56:41.379 Not in strike for less works. Make your simple truth those song Sective five are soul and find a groken.

01:56:41.379 - 01:57:01.379 When the five shall go and a faithful credentials.

01:57:01.379 - 01:57:21.379 In your head.

01:58:48.074 - 01:58:59.449 Welcome back, once again happy sabeth. I hope you were a little bit refreshed.

01:58:59.449 - 01:59:19.449 For me, a sermon, I can I can do a lot what am I trying to say? If I have six pages of notes, I can fill up an hour plus on a sermon and this is 14 pages of notes, and some of you that understand that about me are probably.

01:59:19.449 - 01:59:31.129 Probably thinking, oh, this is gonna be a long one, but this isn't the case. I'm gonna cut quite a bit out of what's recorded here, but I I wanted.

01:59:31.129 - 01:59:51.129 In the record so you can go back and review this for yourself, this message of Laughboro along with my commentary upon it. Let's begin with a word of prayer. Heavenly father, once again, we lift up those around planet earth.

01:59:51.129 - 01:59:54.319 Both that are.

01:59:54.319 - 02:00:12.979 Trying to understand, trying to promote this message and that are having their own personal crisis in whatever way that might be. We ask that you would bless them according to your will, that you would help them understand, that you would open doors of opportunity to present this message.

02:00:12.979 - 02:00:32.979 That you provide the means to do it, and that you would guide them through any personal situations that are trials for them that are helping to draw them closer to you and perfect their character as that you give them the grace too.

02:00:32.979 - 02:00:38.089 Walk through those situations accordingly, but as we take up this study.

02:00:38.089 - 02:00:58.089 I ask that you to give us the discernment to see that in agreement with your council that we are to consider the words of the pioneer, that there are truths here mixed within some erroneous ideas that.

02:00:58.089 - 02:01:04.399 Could not be recognized until we reached the unceiling of 2024.

02:01:04.399 - 02:01:24.399 Thank you for these things. Ask for your Holy spirit. Please guide my words and guide the understanding and discernment of my brothers and sisters that are listening to these things and we thank you for this in Jesus name. Amen. Through the years when the subject of the hundred and 44000 is.

02:01:24.399 - 02:01:43.129 Been raised in meetings or wherever, there are of course certain set understandings by some and some scattered understanding by others and some of us are uncertain one way or another about.

02:01:43.129 - 02:01:58.819 Everything involved with the ceiling, but in that discussion that sometimes takes place about the hundred and 44000 in the ceiling, this is one of the classic tracks from the pioneers that is brought into the discussion.

02:01:58.819 - 02:02:14.629 And I know what is the typical response to this track, which I agree with, it it shows that Laughboro was a little bit off base, but until.

02:02:14.629 - 02:02:30.379 I for myself until I under understood 1863, there's things about this track that I'd never recognized before. And one of the things that that comes out of this for me is that.

02:02:30.379 - 02:02:49.519 It's a serious situation in terms of understanding that even some of the hero heroes of early adventism must be related to from the perspective that they were layered of sands. And, you know, that's, that maybe harsh enough to say.

02:02:49.519 - 02:03:06.829 But perhaps even harsher is that we know what the, the characteristics of the scenes are and one of them is that they're blind. And Laughboro was blind to some things until I was in 1863.

02:03:06.829 - 02:03:24.139 In the context of this tract I couldn't see myself what he was missing but now it's pretty clear and in this second question that we raised here, it's one of the times where someone who has their ideas about the hundred and 44000 in the ceiling.

02:03:24.139 - 02:03:43.909 Use Lofro's track to try to prop up what they understand and so I did my due diligence and I went back and read a track that I've read more than once through the years and things opened up. So in the beginning of his track, this is his track as we go through.

02:03:43.909 - 02:04:00.169 There's places where I'm gonna comment and I've put it in a box, ok? Let me I'll show you one right here. Here's my comment. It's in a box. You can see plainly that this is not.

02:04:00.169 - 02:04:20.169 The regular writing. So let's start. Let's get going on it. This is the table of contents of the tract questions on the ceiling message written or produced published in 1916 by Laughboro, and this is the table of contents, and the reason that I have number five an impressive dream in number six.

02:04:20.169 - 02:04:28.399 Seven a tribulum, a bold faced because I don't include those in this track because you read it, you can dig it out on your own.

02:04:28.399 - 02:04:48.049 The passage about the impressive dream and the tribulum has NO relevance to what we're discussing here. What we're gonna discuss here is the 1st thought by Laughboro when did administ obtained light on the ceiling message. This is important to understand. It's good information.

02:04:48.049 - 02:05:08.049 When did the ceiling work begin as 2nd, that's important to understand and good information. And here's where the the rubber meets the road in terms of this controversy that has been an advantism for years. Will then you have died in the face since 1848 when that message was received be reckoned with the.

02:05:08.049 - 02:05:10.969 Hundred and 44000, ok? We're gonna deal with that.

02:05:10.969 - 02:05:30.969 And of course the number, number four, the number of the sealed. And number six, the time of the plagues. Lafaro was wrong on the time of the plagues and we're gonna show that even though he held the pretty much majority opinion.

02:05:30.969 - 02:05:50.979 But let's let's get started because this is long. This is Laughboro, the presentation of the following pages to our people, I deem to be in harmony with what I, what is stated in testimonies volumes seven page 2808. As those who have spent their lives in the service of God drawn near the close of their earth.

02:05:50.979 - 02:06:00.499 The history, they will be impressed by the Holy Spirit to recount the experience they've had in connection with his work. The record of his wonderful dealings with his people, etc.

02:06:00.499 - 02:06:16.279 Of the benefit to be derived from the bringing of such things to the attention of the people we read from the pen of sister White in south, South African missionary of 20 February 1911. We have nothing to fear for the future except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us.

02:06:16.279 - 02:06:35.809 And is teaching in our past history. In reference to the subject matter of this book, the sealed, hundred and 44000, I have been greatly moved by the Spirit of God to write and publish the facts as to how the ceiling message was obtained not only from the Bible, but by direct instruction in visions.

02:06:35.809 - 02:06:51.139 Of Sister White also as to how the message was received and taught by our ministers and people down to the year 1894. When the new light theory found its advocates in one.

02:06:51.139 - 02:07:11.139 Who afterwards aposthesized from the faith and died without seeing the fulfillment of his expectation that he would live to the end of time and hence be one of the hundred and 44000. His claim was that later testimonies of sister White taught that all the hundred and 44000 would be made up of the.

02:07:11.139 - 02:07:17.329 Those who had never died. Okay, so in 18 new 94 according to Laughborough.

02:07:17.329 - 02:07:35.779 There was an advocate that ultimately went into a postacy that believed that the hundred and 44000 would be made up of only those that never tasted death. And actually I just can't pass by this. Sister White placed your seal of approval upon the message of Jones and Wagner.

02:07:35.779 - 02:07:53.299 And Bo Jones and Wagner aposticized, she called John Harvey Kellerg the Lord's physician. He aposticized. So when you're gonna when we're gonna discuss a prophetic biblical truth, it isn't.

02:07:53.299 - 02:08:13.299 It isn't relevant on who wants held to that truth or error and whether or not they went into apostassy or not. What is relevant is, what does the violent spirit of prophesy say about the subject? Okay, Karen continued on with when I found that some were teaching that all the hundred and 44th of.

02:08:13.299 - 02:08:19.249 Thousand who will be sealed are now living I thought at time that someone should speak and show that it is not.

02:08:19.249 - 02:08:39.249 The manner of God's profits to make positive statements at one time and afterwards teach their teach entirely contrary to them. Such surely was not the course of Bible prophets. The whole of this new light is produced by taking words out of their connection and away from things of which they are spoken and giving them a general.

02:08:39.249 - 02:08:52.429 Application as you will see when we come to the analysis of this matter. And my claim is, and I can show it to you, that Laughgrow does this very thing. He takes the hole of his light.

02:08:52.429 - 02:09:08.389 By taking words out of connection and from things which they are spoken and giving them a general application. Okay, so he gives testimony, he judges himself.

02:09:08.389 - 02:09:25.639 But anyway, I'm not I'm not trying to bad mouth Laughboro I'm trying to set up the context back to Laughborough. I presented the substance of this track in two scores, two discourses on the stockholm campground. Those who heard the discourses requested that it might be published so that they could have the reading of it.

02:09:25.639 - 02:09:45.639 Now notice what he says. As the subject is one on which there is some controversy, when was there some controversy, ok? In 1916 is when he published this. I thought our publishers would not wish to print the matter in their papers or take responsibility of publishing it in any form. He knew.

02:09:45.639 - 02:09:49.189 It was controversial enough that he didn't think the church was gonna publish it.

02:09:49.189 - 02:10:08.779 So I've decided to bring it out in a small book to be obtained through the mail from the author, ok? And then he concludes and he quotes from testimonies one of five. Now, here's my comments and I'm gonna do some of that. I'm gonna pass by much of what he wrote.

02:10:08.779 - 02:10:28.779 And if you want to test me and see if I'm in so doing taking things out of cons context, please do so. Here's my comments. In the late 1880s through the early 1900s, some administ leaders and members actively tracked the church's membership growth. Hoping it would soon read.

02:10:28.779 - 02:10:47.359 A hundred and 44000. This was tied to the understanding of the ceiling message and the hundred and 44000 as the final group of living saints who would be sealed and go through the time of trouble without seen death. There was strong anticipation that once the church reached that number.

02:10:47.359 - 02:11:04.219 The ceiling would be complete and the end would soon come. Church publications and letters from that error sometimes mention their growing membership and expressed excitement as the number climbed. In 1888, the church had roughly 25000 to 30000 members.

02:11:04.219 - 02:11:20.989 And by the early 1900s it had grown significantly significantly but still far below a hundred and 44000. And this is the time period when Lofborough is publishing this. So I want you to see that on this subject of the ceiling in a hundred and 44000.

02:11:20.989 - 02:11:40.989 Up until the turn of the 20th century, there was a big enough belief in advertism that all you had, all they were doing is waiting until there was a hundred and 44000 church members and that the ceiling process was over. And if you weren't familiar with that part of advent history, it's valid, you can.

02:11:40.989 - 02:11:49.069 Check it out, but also when you're checking it out, I want you to know that the same thing happened in the 1960s.

02:11:49.069 - 02:12:09.069 In the 1960s, there was a church that believed this very thing, what very thing, that when they finally reached a hundred and 44000, that church would be raptured, and the Lord would take them home and that church was the jehovaha witnesses, which reached a membership of a hundred and 44000 in the.

02:12:09.069 - 02:12:23.929 Sixties and promptly dropped that teaching that had been a predominant teaching in their church. And when we hear that, I assume when we hear that we think oh those foolish jehova witnesses.

02:12:23.929 - 02:12:41.059 But this was the same idea that was existent in the time period when Laughboro wrote this track. And when Laughboro is writing this track, he's taking up a controversy over the same subject.

02:12:41.059 - 02:12:58.639 That he says arrived in in 1894I think he said, ok? So there's more than one controversy going on about the ceiling on the hundred and 44000 in the history that this tract is repro reproduced. So now he begins.

02:12:58.639 - 02:13:18.639 The ceiling message. 1st question, before me are three questions which I am requested to answer. 1st, when did the adventists obtain light on the ceiling message? Second, when did the ceiling work begin? 3rd, will any of the people of God who've died since 1848 in the message be reckoned with the hundred and 44000? The reason that he asks.

02:13:18.639 - 02:13:24.709 Will any of the people of God who have died since 18 4048 be in the message?

02:13:24.709 - 02:13:43.819 Is because in the previous two questions, he's gonna show you that the ceiling work began in 1848 and that that's when the light on the ceiling message was received. But I disagree with him. The ceiling message began on 22 October 1844, and in 1848 is when the adven is.

02:13:43.819 - 02:14:03.259 Begin to understand that message, but that ally, that light arrived on 22 October 1844. And with every message, the light arrives and thereafter the people of God recognize it. Classic example.

02:14:03.259 - 02:14:19.099 Is William Miller? Wendy William Miller formed his conclusion about his message in 18 whatever 1818 or 16 to 1818 1816 to 1818.

02:14:19.099 - 02:14:39.099 20 years after the time of the end in 1798. Is that 20 years? 1798? Yeah, after the book of Daniel was unsealed. So the message comes and thereafter God's people recognize it and Loftbro's information about 1848 is excellent. I'm not trying.

02:14:39.099 - 02:14:40.729 The Slander that.

02:14:40.729 - 02:15:00.259 But the ceiling work, the message arrived in 1844. As to the 1st question, we note that in 1845 some of the adventists began to study the 30 angels message of revelation 14 nine through twelve. They saw clearly that the observance of the 7th day Sabath was included in the keeping of all the comments.

02:15:00.259 - 02:15:20.259 Has set forth in that message. Of the study of the message we read in the statement from sister White in testimonies volume one. When we began to present the light on the Sabath question, we had NO clearly defined idea of the 3rd angels message of revelation 14.

02:15:21.199 - 02:15:41.199 Verses nine through twelve. Okay, so he's gonna show that the light of the Sabath was progressive, a progressive development of truth and it was, and this is good to take note of. The burden of our testimony as we came before the people was that the Great Second advent movement was of God that the 1st and second ages.

02:15:41.199 - 02:15:44.029 The Message had gone forth and that the 3rd was to be given.

02:15:44.029 - 02:16:01.849 We saw that the 3rd message closed with the words, here's the patient of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of J Jesus. As we clearly saw, as we now see, the now was 1863 when volume one was 1st published, ok? So.

02:16:01.849 - 02:16:17.869 He's now, just took a quote from volume one up here, it says when where she says when we began to present the light on the Sabath question and.

02:16:17.869 - 02:16:35.959 Yes is in down here and we all, we as clearly saw as we now see, the now was 1868 when volume one was 1st published that these prophetic words suggested a saboth reform. But the point I'm trying to make here.

02:16:35.959 - 02:16:55.959 Volume part one was published in 1868. The actual testimony was written in 1856, and I w well why am I doing this? Every quote that eh that Laughboro is going to use to support his premise.

02:16:55.959 - 02:17:04.279 This about the hundred and 44000 in the ceiling is taken from the writings of sister Hawaii before 1863.

02:17:04.279 - 02:17:22.369 Okay, it's, it's taken before adventism went into its wilderness wondering and so he's not recognizing that, so he's just taking a message that's in volume one and volume one was published in 1868.

02:17:22.369 - 02:17:38.869 And he he's not not seeing that it was actually written in the very year that the light on the 2520 came out through higher medicine. And I'm gonna note these as we go through.

02:17:38.869 - 02:17:58.869 God by his Holy Spirit let light shine 4th upon his servants and the subject gradually opened to their minds. It required much study and anxious care anxious care to search it out link after length. Amen. By care anxiety and incessant labor has the work moved on until the great truth of our message occur.

02:17:58.869 - 02:18:09.139 Message.

02:18:09.139 - 02:18:24.589 Their attention had not been especially called to the ceiling message. They did not believe, according to revelation 14 one through five, there would be a hundred and 44000 to stand redeemed on Mount Zion.

02:18:24.589 - 02:18:40.939 This company was also mentioned by sister White in her 1st vision recorded in experience in views old edition page twelve, but they had not as yet studied the light on the ceiling of the hundred and 44000. As we shall see.

02:18:40.939 - 02:18:57.799 It was the time of conflict of the nations of Europe in early in the early months of 1848 that light came to this people respecting the ceiling message. He's gonna spend a great deal of time on 1848 and good for him. This is important information.

02:18:57.799 - 02:19:17.799 To show that the, the agitation, the continuation of the French revolution that was sweeping through Europe in 1848 causing the conflicts in the nations of Europe was going to be understood by adventism at that time as the angel.

02:19:17.799 - 02:19:23.509 Holding the winds of strive and because of 1848 and what was going on in Europe.

02:19:23.509 - 02:19:38.779 They now begin to see that the angels of revelation seven that are holding the winds were aligning with 1848, ok? So the he's gonna I'm gonna pass over a whole bunch now.

02:19:38.779 - 02:19:55.279 He's gonna talk about 1848 and the revolution that began in France sweeping across Europe, and I'm gonna pass over at. You notice this next pair from the time of the rain of terror in France. Andy talk.

02:19:55.279 - 02:20:15.279 He talks about it on and on. I'm passing over, I acknowledge it on 24 February 1848a mob attacked the two larry's. What he's saying is, is this crisis in Europe was understood by adventism to be the angrying of the nations and the winds of strife that the angels.

02:20:15.279 - 02:20:19.819 Were holding an adventism at that time had not.

02:20:19.819 - 02:20:39.379 Brought into their understanding what it meant in revelation seven that the four winds were being held in check while God's people were being sealed and he's pointing to the conflicts in Europe to explain why they began to see this doctrinal truth, this, this truth.

02:20:39.379 - 02:20:57.859 Of this revelation of 1848, and it's sudden checking up, Horris Greely said in the New York tribune, it was a great wonder to us politicians, what started so suddenly that great confusion in Europe had a greater wonder still what so suddenly stopped it, ok? So.

02:20:57.859 - 02:21:17.859 He puts in place the terminal in 1848, and then he puts in place that it was stopped because sister White's gonna have a comment about the lessening up of the problems and this is what they were seeing. Seeing. I have a copy of the test of a testimony given to sister White in 1852.

02:21:17.859 - 02:21:38.290 In which which is before 1863, in which references made to the war of 1848. This was found among brother Baits papers after his death. In it are these words, that desire was to be thrown kings. This was the crisis in Europe throw overthrow the kings.

02:21:38.290 - 02:21:48.650 The desire was to do thrown kings, but that could not be for kings must rain until Christ begins his rain. I saw in Europe, this is sister White.

02:21:48.650 - 02:22:05.480 Just as things were moving to accomplish their designs, there would be a slacking up once or twice. So she's talking about the nations being angry, then held in chuck. Nations being angry, then held in chuck once or twice. Thus the hearts of the wicket would be hardened.

02:22:05.480 - 02:22:25.480 But the work will not settle down only seem to for the minds of the kings and rulers were intent on overthrowing each other and the minds of the people to get the ascendancy. I saw all the minds intently looking and stretching their thoughts upon the impending crisis before them. There was one slacking up after the revolution of 1848.

02:22:25.480 - 02:22:41.210 In the present war, the 1st world war, beginning in 1914 is manifest on a still larger scale the determination to overthrow kings and rulers and there and a still greater intensity in watching.

02:22:41.210 - 02:23:01.210 Then in that revolution of 1848, the testimony seems to indicate a second slacking up before the final conflict of the nation shall come. Okay, he's gonna talk more about 1848 from a pamphlet entitled the Seal of the Living God published by Elder Joseph Baits dated 1 January eight.

02:23:01.210 - 02:23:02.750 1949.

02:23:02.750 - 02:23:22.520 We gained some facts as to the 1848 revolution and the reception of the light of on the ceiling message. Okay, so he's tying in the crisis in Europe in 1848 as the historical events that explained.

02:23:22.520 - 02:23:39.500 The angels holding the winds of strife during the ceiling time of the hundred and 44000 and this is what led them to understand that the ceiling had begun in 1848 and I'm continuing to begin in 1844, and it isn't a big deal.

02:23:39.500 - 02:23:59.500 But it is a big deal. In the month of March of the same year in Heidesville, Waynes County, New York spirit Rappings began in the home of the Fox and fish family, which was moved to Rochester New York for more public investigation. For a time these wrappings were called the Rodchester Knocking.

02:23:59.500 - 02:24:06.050 Okay, so now he's adding to the term oil in Europe of 1848.

02:24:06.050 - 02:24:23.090 The knockings of the fox and fish family that introduces open spiritualism into history at that time period, and he's going to criticize 1st day ad venice, Sunday keeping ad venice.

02:24:23.090 - 02:24:43.090 For them recognizing this manifestation of spiritualism as the sign of 2nd coming, he's gonna tell it in his words. The 1st day advenist then said with great zeal, this conflict in Europe will culminate in the battle of arm again and the Lord is about to come. The spirit wrappings are the spirits of the.

02:24:43.090 - 02:24:48.050 Levels going forward together the nations to the battle of the great day of God almighty.

02:24:48.050 - 02:25:08.050 This is what Sunday keepers are saying. As our people at Venice, had the light of the 3rd angel's message in the Sabath, we were confident that this truth must be proclaimed to the world they could not accept the faith made by the 1st day at Venice that the Lord was about to come. Those people would say to Sabath keepers, you'd better give up.

02:25:08.050 - 02:25:23.450 Your sabath message, you're too late with it, join us in warning the world to get ready for the immediate coming of Christ. Such was the situation in the summer of 1848. This led the 7th day adventist to earnest prayerful study for life.

02:25:23.450 - 02:25:43.450 The Lord led their minds to the holding of the winds, wars, and the sealing work with a determination to find the meaning of the situation. They found in their study of the scriptures that the 7th day Sabeth was the sign of the living God and the seal of his law. This newly received light from the word of God gave still greater force to the south.

02:25:43.450 - 02:26:00.200 Sure them that this as the ceiling message must be proclaimed to the world before the actual coming of Christ, then brother book baits book, he refers to.

02:26:00.200 - 02:26:20.200 Nickel's Homes James and Ella were living with brother and nickels. And this is when they are producing, working together to produce the 1850 chart. Baits says in his book, a small number of brethrens and sisters were assembled in a meeting their Boston massive.

02:26:20.200 - 02:26:21.530 She sits.

02:26:21.530 - 02:26:41.530 We'd made it the matter that we had made it the manner of publishing the message is subject to prayer at toption conference meeting a little previous, and the way to publish not appearing claire, we now therefore resolved unitedly to refer all to God. After some time in prayer for light and instruction god.

02:26:41.530 - 02:26:59.180 Gave sister white, a vision. They want to know how to, to get the ceiling Sabath message to the world. They're praying about it and sister White has a vision in 1848, which is 15 years before 1863.

02:26:59.180 - 02:27:15.080 Then he gives the words which she spoke in vision, which he copied down as she spoke. From these words we quote the following, and you can you can get this passage also.

02:27:15.080 - 02:27:35.080 From sister White's grandson, Arthur White, he records this, this same, the same manifestation of of of the vision that sister White had in Bates taking notes as does Laughborough and I challenged you to go look what.

02:27:35.080 - 02:27:53.000 Arthur White records of it because Arthur White's pretty clear and Laughboro is not so clear. If you don't have me giving you the commentary and you haven't looked what Arthur White says, you may think that these words that sister White is saying is a consistent fluid thought.

02:27:53.000 - 02:28:13.000 But Arthur Wyatte explains that these are expressions that sister Weight was giving as she was envisioned. They were broken expressions and Baith was writing them down, and Laughboro is treating them as if they're one consistent thought. And this is what.

02:28:13.000 - 02:28:17.060 Its wrote down.

02:28:17.060 - 02:28:36.620 The angels are holding the winds. It is God that restrains the powers. The angels have not let go for the saints are not all sealed. The time of trouble has commenced. It has begun. This is a subject here you need to wrap your mind around. Did the time of trouble commence in 1848 had it begun?

02:28:36.620 - 02:28:56.620 Was it the great time of trouble or was it the little time of trouble, ok? The reason why the four winds are not let go is because the saints are not sealed. It the trouble is on the increase more and more, that trouble will never end until the earth is rid of the wicked. Why? They, the winds are just ready to below. There's.

02:28:56.620 - 02:28:59.570 It's check put on because the saints are not all sealed.

02:28:59.570 - 02:29:19.570 Yes publish the things that has seen and heard and the blessings of God will attend. What I'm saying is the way that Laughboro records that, you can easily be led to believe that this is a statement that sister White made. But without searching the context, this is my comments now, without searching the.

02:29:19.570 - 02:29:28.070 Context of Bates notes, it might be understood that the expressions from sister White envisioned that baits wrote down were complete thoughts, but they were simply short statements.

02:29:28.070 - 02:29:48.070 That cannot be understood as one statement. In the biography written by her grandson, Arthur White, records the of the baits notes Laughboro refers to. That's bad sentence on my part. Arthur White records the same thing that Laughboro does about the experience.

02:29:48.070 - 02:30:05.120 Where Baits records her notes. He wrote bait or Arthur White. At times Ellen White while envisioned spoken short explanations of what she was viewing. These gave clues to her companions as to the scenes passing before her.

02:30:05.120 - 02:30:25.120 It was so in this case, and Joseph Faith with a pencil and paper in hand noted the words that she spoke. It's from one biography page 01:50. Short explanations are not a systematic representation of the vision. After back to lawsburrow, after coming out of this vision, sister White said to hers husband.

02:30:25.120 - 02:30:32.720 And James I have a message for you, Begin to print a little paper, small up 1st, send it out free. The readers will send you money to print it.

02:30:32.720 - 02:30:52.720 It will be a success from the 1st I saw from this small beginning, it was like streams of light that went clear around the world. That's a complete thought. In the vision given to sister White at Rocky Hill, Connecticut at 5 January 1859, she had another view of the ceiling work. This.

02:30:52.720 - 02:30:56.360 View written by yourself is in early writing's old edition.

02:30:56.360 - 02:31:16.360 Page 29 to 31 and reads S follows. I saw far angels who had a work to do on the earth and were on their way to accomplish it. Jesus with cloth was clothed with priestleague garments. He gazed in pity on the remnant, then raised his hand upward and with a voice of deep pity cried my blood father and my blood, my blood, my blood. Then.

02:31:16.360 - 02:31:33.380 I saw an exceeding bright light come from God who set up on the great white throne, and we shed all about Jesus. Then I saw an angel with a commission from Jesus swiftly flying to the four angels who had a work to do on the earth and waving something up and down in his hand and crying with a loud voice. Hold. Hold hold hold.

02:31:33.380 - 02:31:53.380 Until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads. The explanation made to her by the intending angel was that the four angels had power from God to hold four wins and that they were about to let them go but while their hands were loosening, and the four wins were about to blow the merciful live of Jesus gates upon the reminent that were not sealed, and he raised.

02:31:53.380 - 02:31:55.880 His hands to the father and pleaded with him.

02:31:55.880 - 02:32:15.880 That he had spilled his blood for them, then another angel was commissioned to fly to the four angels and bid them to hold until the servants of God were sealed in the with the seal of the living God. Being thus fortified with the light of the scriptures and the testimony of the Spirit of God, those having the light of the 3rd angels message were shielded, this is lofburrow. From the claims of the.

02:32:15.880 - 02:32:33.530 These 1st day is Advenus with their new time setting, their new time message, and were filled with new energy to press forward with the 3rd angel's message. Being confident that God whom they trusted would clear the way for this, the last message to the world to accomplish its purpose. That was the 1st question.

02:32:33.530 - 02:32:53.530 2nd question is, is when did the ceiling work begin? The testimony's already quoted that to the reception of the ceiling message message by 7th of the advinists is also good proof as to the time when the ceiling began. The four winds of war were about to blow when the commotion among the nations of Europe.

02:32:53.530 - 02:33:12.770 Broke out. The four angels had their commission to hold those winds of war that the work of ceiling be not hindered. A check was put on so that the ceiling might advance. We will note others testimony showing that the ceiling work was going on at that time.

02:33:12.770 - 02:33:28.580 Satan is now using every device in this ceiling time to keep Gods people away from the present truth. On the same testimony of the Ryans Prettys 306I saw that Satan was at work in these ways to distract us even draw people away.

02:33:28.580 - 02:33:43.940 God's to draw away God's people just now in this ceiling time. So the in 1848, they're in the ceiling time, NO doubt about it. And the nations are angry, the nations of Europe in 1848, and.

02:33:43.940 - 02:34:01.100 This is written in 1849, this last quote, still well before 1863I will quote from a track published in 1852I saw that Satan will work now more powerfully than ever before he knows that his time.

02:34:01.100 - 02:34:18.440 Is short and that the sealing will soon be over. And he will work now in every insin insinuation to get the saints off their guard and get them to sleep upon present truth and doubting it. So it's to prevent there being sealed with the seal of the living God.

02:34:18.440 - 02:34:38.440 We read in early writings, the ceiling time is very short and will soon, will soon be over and soon will be over. Now is the time while the four angels are holding the four winds to make our calling and election. Sure. It was because of these plain statements that our peoples and ministers down to 1890.

02:34:38.440 - 02:34:56.930 Four. So he's saying from 1848 and 1894 believed and taught that the sealing work had been going on since 1848 and that the hundred and 44000 were being sealed. I do not see how we could draw any other idea from the testimonies we have quoted.

02:34:56.930 - 02:35:16.930 And that the ceiling work had begun in 1848 to 1850II have NO problem with that. I don't even have a problem with him using 1848. The fact that he doesn't understand that the ceiling message, was the sabath that arrived on 22 October 1844.

02:35:16.930 - 02:35:32.570 I get it, but what I'm saying is, is that he's, all of his focus is on 1848 and 1840 to 1850 is the ceiling message arriving.

02:35:32.570 - 02:35:52.570 And the ceiling process beginning and every passage that he's gonna bring to bear to support that, it comes before 1863. And by 1863, adventism is a different body of people that's in NO longer a movement, now it's a church.

02:35:52.570 - 02:36:10.280 Okay, in 1856, it had transitioned into Leo Decia. In 1849, the Lord was stretching for his hand together his the remnant of his people his second time. And he gathered his people the 1st time.

02:36:10.280 - 02:36:28.190 In the 1st angel's message and the 1st angel's message tipifies the 3rd angel's message because the 1st angel's message is the 1st and the 3rd angel's message is the last and he gathered its people during the history of the 1st Angels message when he published a chart in 1842, the 1843 pioneer chart.

02:36:28.190 - 02:36:45.650 And in 1849, he's stretching forth his hand again his second time to gather the remnant of the people and in 1850 while living with brother nickels, they produced the 1850 chart. This is what he's gonna use to gather his people a second time.

02:36:45.650 - 02:37:05.480 But they're not gonna be gathered. They're gonna go into a layotaceyne condition and end up wondering in the wilderness of Layotaceya. Will any who have died in the face since 1848 when the message was received be reckoned with the hundred and 44000? And this is where we get to the punch line of the discussion.

02:37:05.480 - 02:37:24.590 Last Sabath and the discussion through the years in adventism. Some persons, most especially since 1894, this is when he identifies this harissy of saying the hundred and 44000 are only those that do not taste death or those that are sealed.

02:37:24.590 - 02:37:44.590 This is when that came into adventism 1894. Some persons have claimed that none will be 4000 but those who lived until 2nd Coming of Christ and that this must be so for according to revelation 14 three and four, they are redeemed from among men and from the earth.

02:37:44.590 - 02:37:50.870 According to Daniel twelve, there's a partial resurrection in the time of trouble just before Christ Second come in.

02:37:50.870 - 02:38:10.870 Be reading at that time Michael Shenz shall stand up in many of them that sleep in the dust of the contempt sure comes.

02:38:10.870 - 02:38:12.140 With his argument.

02:38:12.140 - 02:38:32.140 Those that died in the faith 3rd angeless message have come up in this special resurrection and therefore they're alive when Christ comes, they may have tasted in human death, but he's going to argue that the death they escape was the death decree of the 6th pike.

02:38:32.140 - 02:38:52.270 Okay, if in 1848 to 1850, persons were being sealed, we would naturally expect they would be those awakened to ever lasting life, and so be with a hundred and 44000. Of this resurrection we read in early writing spiritual gifts old edition page 01:45. There was one clear place of subtle glory once came the voice.

02:38:52.270 - 02:39:00.050 So God liked many waters shaking the heavens and the earth. There was a mighty earthquake, the graves were open and those who had died in the faith.

02:39:00.050 - 02:39:20.050 Under the 3rd angel's message, keeping the sabboth came forth from their dusty beds glorified to hear the covenant of peace that God was to make with those who had kept his law. In spiritual gifts, 01:45 01:46 we read as God spoke the day and hour of Jesus coming and delivered the ever.

02:39:20.050 - 02:39:26.990 The lasting covenant to his people he spoke one sentence and then paused while the words were rolling through the earth.

02:39:26.990 - 02:39:46.990 Okay, this was written in 1858. On this dropping down, on the same, of the same we read in testimonies volume one page 59, soon we heard the voice like many waters which gave us the day and hour of Jesus coming. The living saints, a hundred and 44.

02:39:46.990 - 02:40:06.650 Thousand in number, now this is the commentary addition to what such a white saying. Remember that the resurrected savikeepers are then among the living saints. He's saying that special resurrection makes them part.

02:40:06.650 - 02:40:24.590 Okay Spirit and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God as Moses did when he came down from Mount Sinai.

02:40:24.590 - 02:40:41.300 Okay, that was written in 1856. If it'd be claimed that none will be numbered among the hundred and 44000 but those who lived until Christ second coming without tasting death, what about those savith keepers who in 1848 to 1850 were being sealed?

02:40:41.300 - 02:41:01.300 They're not a half dozen of those now alive who were then keeping the sabbath. If they were then sealed, they will be among the resurrected to our internal eternal life at the voice of God. Yeah, I, I don't have a problem with that. There was a special resurrection for all those who died in the faith.

02:41:01.910 - 02:41:21.440 The 3rd angel doesn't necessarily mean that they make up the number of the hundred and 44000 as Laughboro claim. There are some things connected to the case of sister White that have bearing on the on the matter of the hundred and 44000. She's now at rest.

02:41:21.440 - 02:41:40.940 But as we reported in her 1st vision, Zion was just before us and on mount Zione was a glorious temple, and about it were seven other mountains on which group Roses and Lilly sees quoting from her verse vision. As we were about to enter the holy temple. Jesus raised his lovely voice and said only the hundred and 44000 entered this place.

02:41:40.940 - 02:41:57.680 And we shouted alluiah. It seems that it seems, however, that in this view of things to occur in the new earth, she entered the temple, for she said. And it seems that way to me, she entered the temple.

02:41:57.680 - 02:42:15.890 But it seems to me that she also entered the most holy place when she gazed into the the arc and seen the ten commandments and seen that the sabath commandment glowed above the other commandments. What was she doing in the most holy place if she wasn't a high priest?

02:42:15.890 - 02:42:31.640 The role of the prophetist, is distinctly different than the role of s of the redeemed. She had a prophetic role that she was accomplishing.

02:42:31.640 - 02:42:51.640 When she went into the most holy place in spite of being a woman and not being the high priest. So the fact that she's moving into the temple in the earth made new where only the hundred and 44000 are allowed to go does not necessarily identify her as one of the hundred and 44000. I.

02:42:51.640 - 02:43:09.680 Saw their tables of stone in which the names of the hundred and 44000 were graved in letters of gold. After we beheld the glory of the temple we went out and Jesus left us and we went to the city. From this we would surely conclude that in the new earth, sister White would be one of the hundred and 44000.

02:43:09.680 - 02:43:26.810 I don't know that we would surely conclude that. Laughboro does, several others do, and the question that was raised last Sabath I guess does, but you take, you take a group of Americans and they're all Americans.

02:43:26.810 - 02:43:46.810 And, you bring a French person in and he's among the Americans, but he's not an American. On page 33 of experience in views old edition, she speaks of what the angel told her while she was viewing Saturn. I beg of my attending angel to let me remain in that place. I could not bear the thought of coming back.

02:43:46.810 - 02:43:54.740 Back to this dark world again. Then the angel said you must go back and if you were faith or you with the hundred and 44000.

02:43:54.740 - 02:44:14.740 The Frenchman with the Americans shall have the privilege of visiting all the worlds and viewing the handy work of God and I'm not arguing that this is the case. I'm arguing that Bloffro is much too dogmatic about what is the case. That surely looks like some of the hundred 44000 being those will.

02:44:14.740 - 02:44:17.630 Who will have been raised from the dead.

02:44:17.630 - 02:44:37.630 Expression U with the hundred and 44000 is open to grammatical evaluation as his elder Irwins recorded statement that employed the word among. Not Withstanding these facts and the testimonies presented, it is still urged by some that what is said in great controversy 06:49 shows that the hundred and 44000.

02:44:37.630 - 02:44:41.270 Would be composed wholly of those who never died.

02:44:41.270 - 02:44:59.090 And he disagrees with that because he said the death that the hundred and 44000 do not taste is the death associated with the depth decree in the 6th plate. Let us see what it said and the condition under which she's the statement occurs. Here it is.

02:44:59.090 - 02:45:19.090 These having been translated from the earth, from among the living are counted as 1st fruits under God in the lamb. The Savith keepers resurrected to eternal life will surely be among the living at Christ second coming. These are they which came out of great tribulation. They have passed through the time of trouble such as never was since there was a.

02:45:19.090 - 02:45:20.090 Nation.

02:45:20.090 - 02:45:40.090 That trouble of the nations will be under the 6th plague. Now, he is, he is isolating the time of trouble to the 6th plague, not the 1st five plagues. The time of trouble.

02:45:40.090 - 02:45:50.480 The trouble of the nations will be under the 6th plague and it is at that time according to Daniel twelve one that the partial resurrection will take place bringing up the sealed sabath keepers.

02:45:50.480 - 02:46:07.280 This will be when the 7th plague is yet to come. Of the situation at that time we read an experience in views page 29, these plagues, we read in early writings page 2029, these plagues. She didn't write this plague.

02:46:07.280 - 02:46:27.280 Enrage the wicked against the righteous, they thought we had brought the judgments of God upon them, not judgment judgments plural if they had the earth of us, the plagues plural would be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance, and why am I emphasizing this?

02:46:27.280 - 02:46:45.290 Because he's claiming that the hundred and 44 that the special resurrection of those that died in the faith of the 3rd angel, that when they come up during the 6th plague that they have suffered all the plagues, but he's not really being specific, but he is definitely.

02:46:45.290 - 02:47:05.290 Teaching that. He's teaching that this was the time of day Jacob's trouble. Then all the, and I don't have a problem with that, then all the saints cried out that the 6th plate is the time of Jacobs trouble I don't have a problem with that. But you don't have the time of trouble, the time of Jacob's trouble in the 6th plates without the 1st five plates. 1st.

02:47:05.290 - 02:47:07.760 The five plagues is the cause.

02:47:07.760 - 02:47:27.380 That causes the wicked to pass the decree of the 6th plague. You can't separate the cause from the effect. The plagues that the hundred and 44000 stand through are plural. It's all of them. Bringing the special resurrection up at the 6th plague.

02:47:27.380 - 02:47:44.180 Does not qualify those that are resurrected in the special resurrection as suffering all the plagues. A decree went forth to slay the saints which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacobs trouble. That's sister White.

02:47:44.180 - 02:48:02.480 Lockwell here conjectures the time of trouble as the 6th plague, though, plagues is expressed in the plural. It was a series of plagues that enraved the wicked to the point that they passed the depth decree. The depth decree of the 6th plague is the effect that was caused.

02:48:02.480 - 02:48:22.480 By the 1st five plagues girl. And she quotes some more from sister White, next paragraph. It is from this testimony translating without seeing death that the claim has been made that none will be among.

02:48:22.480 - 02:48:29.390 The sealed hundred and 44000, but those who live until christ's actual second coming.

02:48:29.390 - 02:48:49.390 We see that the death they are safe from is the death permitted by the papers circulated. Bear in mind that the reside resurrected sabathkeepers are included among the coven teas. So they are to be translated at Christ Coming without suffering the threat.

02:48:49.390 - 02:48:57.890 In death. By this degree they are brought into the time of Jacob's trouble. His trouble was the news that he saw.

02:48:57.890 - 02:49:17.890 Was coming with 400 armed men unless the arm Floord should aid him, it looked like death for to him and his whole family. Lofbro contends the death of the 144000. The death of the 144000 do not taste is the death of the 6th.

02:49:17.890 - 02:49:36.200 Paid, not actual death. There's another testimony from great conversity page 06:49 used by those who claim that none who have died in the message will be among a hundred and 44000. They have stood without an intercessor through the final outpouring of God's judgments.

02:49:36.200 - 02:49:53.750 Plural, but they've been delivered for they have worsterobes and made them. They have seen the earth wasted with famine and pesalment, the sun having power to scorchman with great heat. When does the sun's scorchman with great heat? Because.

02:49:53.750 - 02:50:13.750 This hundred and 44000 they saw that, and that's in an earlier plague brothers and sisters. Those that come up in this special resurrection in six plague, they didn't see that. They've seen the earth wasted with family and pesilments, the sun having power to scorchman with great heat.

02:50:13.750 - 02:50:18.110 Eight and they themselves had a dird suffering hungered and and thirst.

02:50:18.110 - 02:50:37.610 This is what if this is what is said of the whole of 144000 and in part will be true of the resurrected Sabath keepers, for they enter the time of jacob's trouble. They are raised under the 6th plague and see the final outpoint of God's judgments under the 7th play.

02:50:37.610 - 02:50:55.100 And are among those delivered from this death decree. Dropping down.

02:50:55.100 - 02:51:15.100 If there is still a doubt of the resurrected saboth keepers being numbered with a hundred and 44000, this is Brother Irwin's testimony, considering the follow consider the following from sister white's words in 1909. At the general conference in 1909 Elder Irwin had a stenographer.

02:51:15.100 - 02:51:28.580 Accompanying him in a call upon sister White. He wished to ask her some questions and have an exact copy of the words of his question, of the questions and the exact words of the replies. Among other questions was this one.

02:51:28.580 - 02:51:44.480 Will those who have died in the message be among the hundred and 44000 44000.

02:51:44.480 - 02:52:04.480 I'm clear on that matter. These were the exact words of question and answer as brother Irwin permitted me to copy from his stenographer's notes. For a French person to attend a meeting of persons who are all Americans does not make the Frenchman in American, though, he is among the Americans. The grammar must have.

02:52:04.480 - 02:52:08.150 Agree with the established facts of the prophetic word.

02:52:08.150 - 02:52:26.000 The 144000 get victory over the mark and the image of the beast. Those that are resurrected in the special resurrection during the 6th play, they did not get victory over the mark and his image.

02:52:26.000 - 02:52:46.000 They did not live during that time period. That time period was still future to 1916 when Laughboro pinned this tract. The number of the seal. And earth be lightened with its.

02:52:46.000 - 02:52:56.000 Explore and if as recently stated by brother Blanket is to result in millions being prepared for Christ second coming, is not the hundred and 44000 a small number to be sealed?

02:52:56.000 - 02:53:16.000 It is only a fraction of 1 million in his word the Lord has spoken of those say that is coming as a little flock, ok? They also, they are also a people who have been subject to a very rigid test. The prophet. Daniel speaks of them many shall be purified and made wide and.

02:53:16.000 - 02:53:35.270 Daniel 1210. What were they purified and made tried from? From the unsealing of the book of Daniel? Maybe so you don't believe that the book of Daniel was unsealed in seven in 1989 as this movement does, but if you're an advinist, you believe it was unsealed in 1798.

02:53:35.270 - 02:53:52.550 But you get, you gotta ask yourself, where were the people that were became administs in 1894 or 1916 when this track was written? Where were they tested by the unceiling of the book of Daniel?

02:53:52.550 - 02:54:09.920 Some translats translate this Daniel 1210 thoroughly tested. It maybe true in this case. Many are called and but fewer chosen Matthew 2214. In testimonies volume five, page 01:36 published in 1888, we read.

02:54:09.920 - 02:54:26.810 The great proportion of those who now appear to be genuine and true will prove to be base metal. Now Laughboro is gonna go through several clear quotes about how many an adventism are gonna fall away, ok? He's just dealing with.

02:54:26.810 - 02:54:44.180 The idea of why if millions are gonna be saved at the end, is the hundred and 44000 such a small number if they're all advenous and he's not threatened by the idea that they're all advenous. He's just dealing with the small number and he's gonna go through quote after quote in the spirit of prophecy.

02:54:44.180 - 02:55:01.070 Where she identifies the following away in adventism as the storm approaches a large class who have prof professed faith in the 3rd angel but have not been sanctified through it abandon their position, ok? The same is in great controversy six oh nine. In testimonies volume five.

02:55:01.070 - 02:55:16.070 In volume six. The, now he's done with those quotes for a second. He says what whatever maybe true of the millions that will hear the 3rd angel's message, the hundred and 44000 seem to be a peculiar group, I agree.

02:55:16.070 - 02:55:36.070 With peculiar characteristics gathered in groups of 12000 each, bearing the names of twelve tribes of spiritual Israel without Guyle in their mouth, without fault before the throne of God. They are not all Americans nor all users of the English language, but they're without spot or wrinkler.

02:55:36.070 - 02:55:37.730 Change that thing.

02:55:37.730 - 02:55:57.730 If as lately expressed by elder blank, the preaching of the message prepares millions to be saved at the coming of Christ and the Lord in compassion parts of the sins of ignorance and converted Heathen who have not had opportunity of those more enlightened praise to his name. That does not excuse us who have had greater light and might obtain.

02:55:57.730 - 02:56:02.660 To one of the twelve groups of the sealed hundred and 44000.

02:56:02.660 - 02:56:22.660 In the review of in the review of sister White said in the little while everyone who is a child of God will have his seal placed upon him. Owe that it maybe placed upon the four our four heads, who can bear the thought of being forever passed by when the angel goes for angel goes forth to.

02:56:22.660 - 02:56:42.140 Seal the servants of God in their foreheads. Among the lacks on the part of professor Saba keepers we Reed in special ministry. And then he's gonna talk about withholding the ties, ok? I, I don't know why he brought this in, but he concludes with this thought on ties. Do we expect.

02:56:42.140 - 02:56:58.730 Those who withhold the ties, who the Lord says are robbers who have the seal of the living God plays upon them, is identifying people in adventism that a majority are gonna fall away. Now the time of the plagues, this is where his message begins to fall apart.

02:56:58.730 - 02:57:14.780 To the extent that I would say I would be very careful about using him as a point of reference for the hundred and 44000 of the ceiling. Time of the plagues. The question is, how much time is occupied by the seven last plagues?

02:57:14.780 - 02:57:34.780 The faith in teaching of 7th day Adveniss has ever been. He's writing this in 1916, has ever been. He was there from the beginning, he's a pioneer that it would be the space of one year. They based their faith on such Texas Revelation 1419 and 20.

02:57:34.780 - 02:57:43.790 Where this is likened to the treading of the wine press. Comparing this with the wine press is set forth in Isaiah 6163.

02:57:43.790 - 02:58:03.790 It is they're called the day of enginance and the year of the redeemed. Taking the acknowledged rule a day would be one year. Some persons take the position that the pouring out of the plagues cover a period of many years. This seems to be refuted by the fact that under the 5th plate.

02:58:04.310 - 02:58:24.310 The people are still suffering from the source of the 1st plague. During the time of these plagues according to revelation 15, six through eight, there's NO intercessor in the heavenly temple. The condition of God's people in that time is less set forth in great controversy, 06:20.

02:58:24.310 - 02:58:44.360 In the time of trouble, if the people of God had unconfessed sins to appear before them while tortured with fear and anguish, they would be overwhelmed, despair would cut off their faith, and they would have not confidence to bleed with God for deliverance. But while they have a deep sense of their unworthiness.

02:58:44.360 - 02:58:59.750 They have NO concealed wrongs to reveal. Their sins have gone beforehand to judgment. It would hardly seem like the lord's merciful dealing with his people to subject them to such a state.

02:58:59.750 - 02:59:17.750 For a series of years. Sister White does not connect this period of NO intercessory with those texts which speak of it as a day and year and often in his in her exertations to us, she has spoken of the year that we should stand without an intercessor.

02:59:17.750 - 02:59:34.700 So, Law Rose saying that it was always understood that the plagues take place in one year, and he's saying that it was incorrect for those Adveniss that has said the plagues would be a number.

02:59:34.700 - 02:59:50.900 Of years. Okay, and this matters. The the time period matters if, if the plugs take place over one year's time, then maybe you got two months for the 1st plug.

02:59:50.900 - 03:00:08.600 Plague two more months for 2nd plague, two months for the 3rd play, two months for the 4th plagues. I'm not saying he touched top that. I'm just saying you have some time to put the 1st five plague plagues in the record books because it's in the 6th plague.

03:00:08.600 - 03:00:27.620 The time of Jacob's trouble that the special resurreci Russian special resurrection takes place and the those that have died in the faith of the 3rd angel's message don't taste the death of that death decree. This is his argument, and that's the end of his.

03:00:27.620 - 03:00:47.620 Attract. I left out two of his chapters, so to speak, and I raced through it and to get to this, to my comments. About 4th months since I had vision of events all in the future and I saw the time of trouble such as NO.

03:00:47.620 - 03:01:04.460 There was. Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Now, if this time of trouble.

03:01:04.460 - 03:01:22.460 That is the time of Jacobs trouble is as Laughboro portrays it, it's imply the 6th play. It doesn't square with what Sister White is saying here.

03:01:22.460 - 03:01:38.570 Okay. The time of trouble such as never was is the time of trouble that is represented by all of the plagues. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God.

03:01:38.570 - 03:01:54.710 If this isn't soul, then we receive the seal of the living God according to what sister White is saying, based upon Laughborough's logic, we receive the seal of God just before the 6th pike. That's not what she's saying.

03:01:54.710 - 03:02:11.120 We are sealed before probation closes, and when probation closes, the seven last plagues begin. And the emphasis on the 6th plague being the time of Jacob's trouble.

03:02:11.120 - 03:02:26.960 Leaves off the cause that produces the death decree in the 1st five plagues. All the plagues are the time of Jacobs trouble.

03:02:26.960 - 03:02:46.960 And we're sealed just before the time of Jacobs trouble according to this quote. Then I saw the four angels cease to hold the four winds and I saw famine pessment sword nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night. We began to hear bills on Jesus garment.

03:02:46.960 - 03:02:49.250 I saw Jesus rise up in the holyline.

03:02:49.250 - 03:03:09.250 In the, in the holiest. And as he came out, we heard the twinkling the tinkling of bills and knew our high priests was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shooked the heavens and earth and gave the hundred and 44000 the day and hour of Jesus coming. Then the saints were free united and full of the glory of God for he had turned the.

03:03:09.250 - 03:03:28.340 Air captivity. And I saw flaming cloud where Jesus, I saw flaming cloud come where Jesus stood, and he lazed off his priestle garment and put on his kingly robe. Probation has now closed, he has ceased his work as the high priest.

03:03:28.340 - 03:03:45.050 Took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east, where it 1st appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the sun a man. While the cloud was passing from the holiast to the east.

03:03:45.050 - 03:04:02.540 Which took a number of days, the cinegog of Satan were shipped at the saint's feet. The plagues don't take a year, they take a number of days to take the 6th plague.

03:04:02.540 - 03:04:18.140 And put the emphasis upon it that Laughborough has placed upon it, is resting the word, it's not rightly dividing the word if you're using Sister White's testimony.

03:04:18.140 - 03:04:34.970 On the subject in agreement with the Bible. You think that those who worshipped before the saint's Feet Revelation three nine will at last be saved? She's talking to someone that had a false view. Here I must differ with you for God showed me that this class.

03:04:34.970 - 03:04:54.920 We're professed adveniss, the senegog of Satan is professed advenus, who had fallen away and crucified to themselves the son of God are fresh and put him to an open shame in the hour and in the hour of temptation which is which is yet to come.

03:04:54.920 - 03:05:14.920 To show out everyone's true character, they will know that they are forever lost and overwhelmed with Anglish of spirit they will bow at the saint's feet. Letter to Eli Kern at Curtis 1847. Okay, the day star up here that says that the plagues were a number of days.

03:05:14.920 - 03:05:31.790 Days was 1846. This information comes well before 1863. None the For brothers and sisters heaven, why will uphold this one I'm gonna say 100 % and we are, we ought to know this black and white.

03:05:31.790 - 03:05:48.590 When it comes to biblical truth in conjunction with the spirit of prophecy, the 1st point of reference is the Bible. In revelation 15, two and three, a passage that Laughboro did not quote.

03:05:48.590 - 03:06:08.590 I said and I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And then that had gotten the victory over the beast and over his image and over his name and over the number of his name stand on the sea of glass having the harps of God and they sing the song of Moses the.

03:06:08.590 - 03:06:12.080 Of God and the song of the lamb saying Great marvelous.

03:06:12.080 - 03:06:29.990 Are they works? Lord God almighty, just in true are they ways thou King of saints. This is the hundred and 44000 Garread revelation 15. It's clearly the hundred and 44001 of the characteristics of the hundred and 44000 is that they had got the victory.

03:06:29.990 - 03:06:48.470 Over the beast is image and his mark. In 1913, three years before Laughboro's tracked, says but the time to receive the mark of the beast as designated in prophecy has not yet come.

03:06:48.470 - 03:07:08.470 In 1913 NO one could get the victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark because that time had not yet come. It was yet future. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not accepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are.

03:07:08.470 - 03:07:28.470 Endemmed until they've had light and seen obligation of the 4th commendment. But when the decree shall go forth in forcing the counterfeit Saba and when the loud cry of the 3rd angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast in his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the truth. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the.

03:07:28.470 - 03:07:46.100 The beast and in their in their foreheads or in their hands. If, if they don't accept the mark of the beast, what happens to him? They get victory over the beast in his image in his mark, but that time was yet future to 1913.

03:07:46.100 - 03:08:06.100 Into 1916. And if you don't give victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark, you're not one of the hundred and 44000 according to revelation 15 and the Bible is to be the 1st reference. And what sister White's comments say about the same subject are to be brought into unison with the biblical testimony.

03:08:06.100 - 03:08:11.180 Those who would not receive the mark of the beast in his image when the decree goes forth.

03:08:11.180 - 03:08:30.770 Must have decision now to say nay, we will not regard the institution of the beast. If we're going to receive the seal of God at the Sunday Law crisis, we have to be settled into that decision like Shadrack Vishak and Abedneygo were before the test.

03:08:30.770 - 03:08:47.510 She quotes numbers 3026 through 15 and says, and I'm finishing up here, the Lord God is a jealous God yet he bears long with the sins and transgressions of his people in this generation.

03:08:47.510 - 03:09:07.510 If the people of God had walked in his council, the work of God would have advanced the message of his messages of truth would have been born to all the people that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Had the people of God believed in him and been doers of his word.

03:09:07.510 - 03:09:27.510 Had they kept his commandments that angel would have come flying through heaven with the message to the four winds that were to let loose the winds that they should blow upon the earth crying hold hold forewinds that they blow not upon the earth until I have sealed the servants of God in their foreheads. But because.

03:09:27.510 - 03:09:45.350 The people are disobedient, unthful, unholy, as we're ancient Israel, time is prolonged that all may hear the last message of mercy proclaimed with a loud voice. The Lord's work has been hindered.

03:09:45.350 - 03:10:05.350 The ceiling time delayed. Law Broads arguing the ceiling time began in 1848. Okay, began in 1848 1844 actually. But it got delayed. But the same type of disobedience that caused ancient Israel go to go wandering in the will.

03:10:08.210 - 03:10:26.240 Except Joshua and Caleb, we know this. Many have not heard the truth, but the Lord will give them chance to hear and be converted and the great work of God will go forward. She wrote this in 1897. In 1897, she said the ceiling time had been delayed.

03:10:26.240 - 03:10:43.430 And in 1916, Lofboroughs arguing that the ceiling time was still underway from 1848 onward. For 40 years, did unbelieve Murmurina rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canyon?

03:10:43.430 - 03:11:03.430 The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into Heavenly Canyon, in neither neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldliness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord's professed people that have kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so.

03:11:03.430 - 03:11:04.790 Many years?

03:11:04.790 - 03:11:24.790 Had adviness after the great disappointment in 1844 held faster faith followed on unitedly in the opening Providence of God receiving the message of the 3rd angel and in the power of the Holy Spirit proclaiming it to the world they would have seen the salvation of God, the Lord would have brought midly with their efforts. The work would have been completed, and Christ would have come here this to receive his people.

03:11:24.790 - 03:11:29.960 To their rewards and followed the disappointment.

03:11:29.960 - 03:11:48.590 Many of the advent believers yielded their faith, thus the work was hindered, and the world was left in darkness, had the whole advantest body united upon the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, how widely different would have been our history?

03:11:48.590 - 03:12:05.960 Oh, that isn't the one I wanted. Okay, I want a new one. Okay, this is the conclusion of this.

03:12:05.960 - 03:12:21.830 Presentation, the 3rd angel arrived 22 October 1840 4th and the ceiling began. God's people.

03:12:21.830 - 03:12:40.490 A woke to the ceiling message in 1848. And from 1848 to 1850 although Laughro doesn't address it, sister White's clear that in this history, the Lord was stretching forth his hand.

03:12:40.490 - 03:12:59.930 A second time to gather the remnant of his people by 1856, the ceiling message had reached.

03:12:59.930 - 03:13:18.440 It's Climax. All right, there's gonna be seven more years to 1863 that gives people opportunity to hear it. But the ceiling message was the 7th.

03:13:18.440 - 03:13:38.440 Day Saba at the beginning in 1844 and the 7th year Saba in 1856. Evanis didn't understand the 7th day saba.

03:13:38.440 - 03:13:56.330 In 1844, it was a progressive understanding and not until 1848 when the nations were troubled, did they, were they led by God's Providence?

03:13:56.330 - 03:14:12.260 To understand what the restraining of the four winds represented, and in this period the Lord was producing 2nd of hebacics two tables because the 1st time.

03:14:12.260 - 03:14:30.320 He stretched forth his hands together the remnant of his people was in 1842 with the publication of the 1843 chart. And this chart of hebacic tables, 1842 chart illustrates this chart.

03:14:30.320 - 03:14:50.320 The Lord is working together of people in 1848 and 1850 as he did in 1842 and 1843. He gathered the people in the message of the 1st angel and now once the 3rd angel arrived in 1844, he's seeking.

03:14:50.320 - 03:15:08.959 To gather his people a second time, but they go into a Leo decian condition and by 1863, they reject.

03:15:08.959 - 03:15:24.439 The 1st truth, the prophetic truth connected to time that William Miller had discovered when they produced the counterfeit 1863 pioneer chart.

03:15:24.439 - 03:15:44.439 Now they're gonna go through four generations of abominations until they're spewed out of the mouth of the lord. In 1916, lockboroughs are the.

03:15:44.439 - 03:15:52.039 Other angel comes up in the special resurrection and the death that they're protected from is the death decree.

03:15:52.039 - 03:16:12.039 Well, perhaps, but what I want you to see prophetically, if you will, if you can see, you can test it, is that the 13 angel's message ended in 1863.

03:16:12.039 - 03:16:30.019 Three. It was delayed. It wasn't gonna come back until 09:11. So if Laughboro wants to argue that all those that died in the faith of the 3rd angel's message.

03:16:30.019 - 03:16:50.019 Will be part of the hundred and 44000, I would contend that the only adventists that could even qualify for that would be adventists that lived in this history right here. Okay, but I'm not saying that I'm just saying he's gonna have to be consistent with himself.

03:16:50.019 - 03:16:54.529 The 3rd angel's message ended here and the 3rd angel's message?

03:16:54.529 - 03:17:12.649 Is the Sabath ceiling message and it's based upon the fulfillment of the 2300 year prophecy, which represents the 7th day Saba and the 2520 year prophecy.

03:17:12.649 - 03:17:28.459 Which represents the 7th year Sabas, and these two sabas are the two sabas that are the bookends for Libidicus 23. These two Sabas are the covering chairubs.

03:17:28.459 - 03:17:46.069 In the arc. So, when we are in discussion of these truths in these Sabath meetings, it's, it's not kingly power. It's not.

03:17:46.069 - 03:18:06.069 Arbitrary control to expect that those that are gonna participate in these meetings on Sabath are familiar with the truths that had been opened up in the movement from 1989 onward, particularly as.

03:18:06.069 - 03:18:10.039 They're being brought into clarity since 2024.

03:18:10.039 - 03:18:30.039 To bring in the question about what does it mean, what does Laughboro's tract mean from 1916 without acknowledging that Laughboro himself said, I'll publish this on my own.

03:18:30.039 - 03:18:31.009 Because.

03:18:31.009 - 03:18:51.009 At this state of admin history, I know that none of the publishing houses in adventism will be willing to take it up because there's too much confusion about what this is. And at the same time, the adventist Church itself was counting how many members there were. So.

03:18:51.009 - 03:18:55.339 But when they got 244000, they would understand.

03:18:55.339 - 03:19:15.339 That the ceiling was complete. Sister White says the ceiling time was delayed. What was the ceiling time? The ceiling time began in 1844. It's the ceiling time of the 3rd angel, and it ended in 1863, and it began again.

03:19:15.339 - 03:19:34.609 At 09:11 and ends at the Sunday law. It's much, much too late in the game to be challenged by ideas that have been addressed through the years publicly.

03:19:34.609 - 03:19:54.259 If, if what we're teaching is incorrect, then why? Would you want to listen to it, to the law and the testimony if they speak or not according to this word, there is NO light in them.

03:19:54.259 - 03:20:12.379 I'm sorry if this presentation seems a little bit pointed or aggressive, but the the idea I've I've had to deal with lawful who's tracked for years, but I never recognized that the explanation of his.

03:20:12.379 - 03:20:27.919 Wisdom is found in the fact that he was a Leo decian, better Bible scholar than me, probably new spirit of prophecy better than myself. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying he was prevented.

03:20:27.919 - 03:20:43.729 From understanding the present truth ceiling message because he was NO longer living in the time of the ceiling, it had been brought to a conclusion by the disobedience.

03:20:43.729 - 03:21:03.379 Of the 1st generation of adventism. Shall we pray? Heavenly father, we want to strive to be among the hundred and 44000.

03:21:03.379 - 03:21:23.379 Not just be standing with them but be part of them in experience and understanding. We can see that the mark of the beast, the image of the beast, is up on us, and the hundred and 44000 are those that get victory over the mark in his image.

03:21:23.379 - 03:21:41.479 Everyone that saved will have the seal of God. But the hundred and 44000 are a peculiar group, and it's a group that we wish to be in. And I thank you for stirring.

03:21:41.479 - 03:22:01.479 This controversy up again at controversy I've dealt with through the years, that for the 1st time I can see the perspective of Laughboro, why he struggled to understand these things in agreement with your word.

03:22:05.959 - 03:22:25.959 We ask for your continued blessing the rest of the sabbath day. And we thank you for all these things in Jesus name, Amen.