November 8, 2026

00:00:00.000 - 00:00:15.839 Okay, I will begin with word of prayer and then turn it over to Larry. Or I'll just turn it over to Larry. He seems to like to have a prayer for himself anyway and.

00:00:15.839 - 00:00:31.380 I'll I'll let it let him start whenever he wants to speak, you're on.

00:00:31.380 - 00:01:05.899 Can you hear testing ok my mic's working, but it's probably something I'm doing wrong. John Mundy's raised his hand Yeah.

00:01:05.899 - 00:01:11.116 I can I can hear you. You said testing anyone can hear me, I can hear you.

00:01:11.116 - 00:01:13.501 I can hear you.

00:01:13.501 - 00:01:17.258 Okay, I'll lower my hand now. Good morning, good morning.

00:01:17.258 - 00:01:39.810 Thank you. So we're just waiting on you Larry. You probably can hear me, but, you, are you there Larry? I just got a text from Michelle saying that he's feeling well and he's he's there. He's on the screen, so.

00:01:39.810 - 00:02:06.843 You're doing something wrong Larry, I think. There you go. There you are. All right. Hey, brother Bernard raised his hand so anyway, you, you take charge, you have your opening prayer, but know that he has something he wants to say as well that you're, you can have your opening prayer and begin. Okay.

00:02:06.843 - 00:02:15.150 Let's pray. The heavenly father, lord, we thank you for this morning, for the next for the day of life that we can.

00:02:15.150 - 00:02:31.770 Awake and and be prepared to labor with you and for you today or you'd be with me as I go through these articles on that Samuel Snow wrote during the midnight cry that we could have understanding of of what they were and what they meant and what that means for us.

00:02:31.770 - 00:02:47.340 I pray that your spirit would have sway that we could be taught of the, that we would have clarity of mind that we could comprehend these things and have a reason for the faith that's in us.

00:02:47.340 - 00:03:05.400 Do pray for all the things going on with all different people in this movement. We know that the adversary seeks to destroy, so we just lift each person up to you and ask that you would watch over and keep them that we know nothing touches us that you don't allow so that we can rest in you.

00:03:05.400 - 00:03:25.457 And we just ask that you be with us now as we study these things according to your willing purposes, we pray in Jesus name and it's for his sake, we pray and yeah if you if you wanna just let him ask his question, that's seems reasonable.

00:03:25.457 - 00:03:30.782 Oh, greetings to you all actually I was just responding to Jasco, not any questions.

00:03:30.782 - 00:03:32.380 Okay.

00:03:32.380 - 00:03:34.481 Okay.

00:03:34.481 - 00:03:36.700 I know you're getting better.

00:03:36.700 - 00:03:40.221 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I feel much better this morning.

00:03:40.221 - 00:03:44.620 And then how.

00:03:44.620 - 00:03:51.795 I get alright so is everyone still there? I.

00:03:51.795 - 00:03:54.060 Didn't hear anything. Yep, we're still here. All right.

00:03:54.060 - 00:04:07.541 So I think Jeff, what you were wanting me to do was to go through each each of the letters and kind of give a synopsis of each one of the letters so that we know, sort of what they were about. Is that what you were kind of pointing?

00:04:07.541 - 00:04:22.620 I don't know what I wanted I wanted to see if there isn't some kind of step by step development of their truth that would parallel the step by step development of our message and.

00:04:22.620 - 00:04:39.212 You were doing the right thing, you were doing what you, what you were led to do as far in the whole incher lot everything and I was kind of thinking, well, if we summarized, but I don't know that that's the way to approach.

00:04:39.212 - 00:04:44.819 So you just hand the way that you you feel like it. Well, so this is what I'd I.

00:04:44.819 - 00:05:04.819 Can do. So like if you go back to the very 1st letter, it says letter from Samuel Snowe published and signs of the times November 1618 42. This it's just a small little, I mean it's like barely two paragraphs, and it's just talking about, my synopsis of that is believing that the Lord would return in 1843. So this is he.

00:05:04.819 - 00:05:27.599 Just simply making a quick little statement saying that in and given some reasons his evidence as of why he believes this. And so this is, he's still in agreement with 1843 in this 1st letter. 2nd letter says letter from Samuel Snow published in signs of the Times 7 December 1842. It's a little bit longer of a letter is presenting the fulfillment.

00:05:27.599 - 00:05:47.599 Of Jose at twelve nine through ten and have a22 in the miller right time. So he's just basically making the argument or the, you know, this, that that Christ is coming back in 1843. When you get to the next letter, he's arguing about it's he's not arguing, but there's an argument going on at the time about Israel and israel's role.

00:05:47.599 - 00:06:04.439 And he's basically saying that it's spiritual israel. It's n it Israel's not really the thing. It's now those brethren that are spiritual israel. And so he's he's making argument there.

00:06:04.439 - 00:06:24.439 Then he, he, the next letter is remarks of brothers Samuel Snow or SS Snow signs of the times February 2818 44 also that was published in the midnight cry 7 March 1844. And this is Samuel Snow's testimony of his conversion. So this is his.

00:06:24.439 - 00:06:35.436 When he is given his testimony about, you know, he was not a not he didn't believe in, he made fun of Christians and and so on and so forth.

00:06:35.436 - 00:06:58.499 So in his letter back here on 11 May 1843, the, one of the themes or the gist of that is he's making a distinction between ancient Israel and spiritual israel. And so w what I was looking for, I don't know that we can do this, but I can do this on this one, I can at least tell you what I meant is that.

00:06:58.499 - 00:07:18.499 This would tell me that before 18 July 2021 of the things that this movement came to understand is that there was a distinction between the 7th day Advernist Church and the movement. And that distinction prophetically takes place at 09:11. The the distinction is who's gonna eat the.

00:07:18.499 - 00:07:46.942 Little book by the angel in Revelation 18 when he comes down and the former covenant people cease to do so and this movement did eat that little book, so they're coming to a recognition of the distinction of what church is the real church as you proceed to the head and the end of the world. You know, that's the that's the kind of typology I was looking for. But go ahead, I would think it would be.

00:07:46.942 - 00:07:58.701 Be at two a, because that's when the, the Prodeston world is rejects the 1st angel's message. You see what I'm saying?

00:07:58.701 - 00:08:02.193 Yeah, they reject it, but they've been tested.

00:08:02.193 - 00:08:21.459 Since Since yes August the 11th 1840I agree with that, yeah. But since 11 August 1840 that's the empowerment of the 1st angel's message. And then at two a, they fully are passed by because that's where they start doing meetings and they're kicked out of the churches.

00:08:21.459 - 00:08:25.019 Okay, good. I'm sorry I got you off track.

00:08:25.019 - 00:08:50.269 And so, let's see. So then you have his testimony that he's gonna give at the next articles. And then on the, in the list, what's put in here, now I didn't make this just so everyone's clear, I didn't make this list of, of articles. This is something that I have acquired along the way and I don't know even, I mean, I know theater Returner had it, but I don't think he made it either. It was.

00:08:50.269 - 00:09:08.669 Some other brother did it and then there was stuff that was added to it along the way. But this, this booklet has a bunch of stuff from the early admit movement. But anyway, they, whoever built this put in a letter from Willie Miller concerning the 7th Jewish months, and so it makes sense that they put it there because.

00:09:08.669 - 00:09:28.669 This is where William Miller is making his argument about the 7th month or the fall feast being a symbol of christ return and and so possibly it would be in the fall, not in the spring. And so this is already setting the precedent that they had some understanding of this before Samuel Snow recognized it, and he picks that.

00:09:28.669 - 00:09:50.099 That logic up and develops it basically and that's where we get Samuel Snow's, 1st article here letter, so the next letter is a letter from Samuel Snow, the midnight cry February second 1844. And as I said, these are all, you know, pre the February second.

00:09:50.099 - 00:10:06.659 22nd, I'm sorry. 22nd 1844. This is gonna be, you know, pre the the 1st disappointment. And so that's significant. In my mind, that's a significant.

00:10:06.659 - 00:10:26.659 Understanding he comes to understand that they were, they were wrong beforehand. So he wrote it on 16 February and it's published on the 22nd, this 1st letter, and we read that yesterday. Then the next letter is a letter from Brother Snow SS Snow published.

00:10:26.659 - 00:10:44.729 Concerns of the times May 11844, so this is the defense of the millerate faith, so obviously they were coming under all kinds of pressures and scrutiny and and criticisms, and so he writes an article defending their logic and why he thinks they're correct, them being him too I suppose.

00:10:44.729 - 00:11:04.729 Any miller right? And so that's the next letter in these article or in this, this booklet, and then you have letter from SS Snow the midnight cry, May second 1844, and this is 2nd letter of giving evidences for 1844. And so if we read this yesterday as well.

00:11:04.729 - 00:11:23.969 Then we have a letter from Miller, which isn't germane to our study, I'm sure it is on some level, but not really. And then you have a letter from Samuel SS Snow, the midnight cry, 27 June 1844.

00:11:23.969 - 00:11:39.809 So now we're after, April 19 and this is the letter says 1st to recognize the Lord allowed a mistake, and so this letter is, is gonna be.

00:11:39.809 - 00:12:07.153 The idea that Ellen White understood that there was a mistake or that we we come to understand there's a mistake, we could see as far back as here that they recognized that the Lord had had his hand over the mistake and and I mean obviously he doesn't say those words, but he's definitely recognizes that there's a mistake that has been made, but the Lord allowed it. And so that's pretty significant, I think interesting thing that Samuel Snow.

00:12:07.153 - 00:12:28.619 Okay, well let me run this by you. The, I start writing in July, but we're gonna use when we 1st put it on the website 29 July 2023 as that way mark, so to speak. But in, yeah, the.

00:12:28.619 - 00:12:45.269 It's When I 1st started writing I had already understood and it's part of, if we went back to the articles, you can see it, the beginning articles, I was explaining the disappointment. I came to understand.

00:12:45.269 - 00:13:00.509 The parallels of the disappointment and even though our disappointment was created by our rebellion, these other disappointments, you know, other than the arc. When the arc was moving you can see a rebillion there with us attaching the arc.

00:13:00.509 - 00:13:25.358 So if Samuel Snowe is in this history of letter 27 June 1844, if he's the disappointment back here, then I would think that this would correspond with this.

00:13:25.358 - 00:13:41.519 Does that begin to publish the disappointment series on August 2323? That's the the series that talked about the disappointment started then.

00:13:41.519 - 00:13:48.217 August 23, ok. Did you follow.

00:13:48.217 - 00:13:54.358 What I'm saying is i don't want to follow exactly what you're saying makes perfect sense. Okay.

00:13:54.358 - 00:14:06.867 I just did something bad with this alright, keep going. I'll fix this as we go along. I'll get it straightened out. I was gonna put that in there.

00:14:06.867 - 00:14:20.721 Larry let me ask you a question about, the, the technical side of it. Was it not that they, that they discovered the, the detering time after the disappointment or was it before?

00:14:20.721 - 00:14:34.622 I don't, I think cause they're looking at Habacic too. And so I think that they recognize that they're in the terrying time of Habacic too. Are you saying before the April 19 date?

00:14:34.622 - 00:14:41.669 Yeah, because I had always understood it before that they discovered or understood.

00:14:41.669 - 00:15:02.739 After 19 April, after the 1st disappointment, that's how I always just understood it and I could be totally wrong but then when you were reading those articles, I realized that he ended one of the articles before the disappointment with that exact quote, so that kind of questioned on whether they recognized that before or after.

00:15:02.739 - 00:15:31.923 Do you know? Yeah, I don't think they really understood it. I think they recognized that, I mean, I don't know, you know, obviously I don't I don't know for sure, but I, my inclination as I've looked at this is that, that when they are before April 19, they're looking at habacic two as a fulfillment, they are fulfilling the, the, the message of habacic too. Maybe we should read ABACC two at my.

00:15:31.923 - 00:15:37.263 It's 23 dad. 27.

00:15:37.263 - 00:15:40.558 I'm sure we're all familiar with Hobacic too, but.

00:15:40.558 - 00:15:54.701 Yeah, NO, I was just curious on whether they they recognize that because I I thought that that Ellen White said that they recognized the tarring time after the disappointment, but I could, I could be totally off on that whereas the way I teach it.

00:15:54.701 - 00:16:13.559 That's why it's probably in your head is that they they came to unders, they had to understand that they were in the terrying time to really settle into the fact that they were the virgins but if if Samuel Snow was getting inclinations about the terrying time before the event, that doesn't necessarily deny.

00:16:13.559 - 00:16:29.042 No I don't I don't think it is. I just thought it was interesting that his letter ended in that exact quote, it that was before 19 April, the one Larry read last time. Okay.

00:16:29.042 - 00:16:49.429 Yeah, so I'll just, so Hebacic two two says, and the Lord answered me and said write the vision and make it plain upon tables that he may run that read of it. I think that's the most, mostly what they were imagining themselves to fulfill. Verse three says for the vision is yet for an appointed time, but the but at the end it shall speak and not let.

00:16:49.429 - 00:17:03.257 Though it Terry wait for it because it will surely come, it will not terry. I don't think they understood the terrying time until after and then they just notice it. My understanding has always been that they recognized that there had to be this terrying time.

00:17:03.257 - 00:17:08.078 Yep. No, that's cool. It's just interesting that he ends one of his letters with it.

00:17:08.078 - 00:17:15.754 Yeah, that happened before, before that time.

00:17:15.754 - 00:17:18.197 Yeah, it was. They were fulfilling that.

00:17:18.197 - 00:17:20.180 That this this thing of approv.

00:17:20.180 - 00:17:26.683 No, he, what I'm saying I agree with you, what I'm saying is he didn't end it with that. He ended it with just the terrying com.

00:17:26.683 - 00:17:28.118 But Oh, really?

00:17:28.118 - 00:17:38.059 I didn't know. Yeah, the one you read yesterday, the last line of that PDF from one of the letters, it's just that speaking about the terrian time only.

00:17:38.059 - 00:17:47.759 Here, here is the quote we use. In May of 1842a general conference was cons convened in Boston Massachusetts. I'll drop.

00:17:47.759 - 00:18:03.449 No, i won't. At the opening of the meeting Charles Fitch Paulas hell of presented the pictorial prophecies of Daniel and John which they had painted on cloth with the prophetic number showing their fulfillment brother Fitch and explaining from his chart before the conference said while examining these prophecies.

00:18:03.449 - 00:18:23.449 He had thought if he could get out something of this kind as here presented it would simplify the subject and make it easier for him to present to an audience. Here was more light on our pathway. These brethren had been doing what the Lord had shown in shown Hebacic in his vision 2468 years before saying right the vision make a plain upon tables that he may run.

00:18:23.449 - 00:18:43.662 Haven't readed that for the vision as yet for a point in time, so he's baits is looking backwards and saying they fulfilled that. I I thought maybe he I as I thought about this quote that maybe he said that they they produce the chart because they've seen it in hobacic, but it it doesn't seem to be that way.

00:18:49.022 - 00:18:53.933 Yeah, yeah, but it was looking backwards when they.

00:18:53.933 - 00:18:55.800 Seen that.

00:18:55.800 - 00:19:10.732 I think this is what this paragraph says that I just read by Baits is they they were putting together the message on a chart and then when they look back, they realized they had fulfilled this and but anyway, I, we're sidetracking.

00:19:10.732 - 00:19:41.740 Yeah. So for Clayton, the 1st recognition of the Lord allowing a mistake, in that article, he quotes from Hebacic two, two and three, and that's in June though and I'm trying to see, I don't see, I was trying to see where he quoted Hebacic in the other articles that we read. I was just doing a, a quick glance cause it's kind of those stick out in the in the article.

00:19:41.740 - 00:19:45.715 Yeah, there's 51 of them, though, of Terry in there.

00:19:45.715 - 00:19:48.699 So and you say it's in 27 June already.

00:19:48.699 - 00:19:54.937 It was the one, one of the ones before.

00:19:54.937 - 00:20:04.439 Okay, well, this is 27 June. But anyway. Sorry, go ahead. Do you want to run that down, Larry or not? I, I don't necessarily have.

00:20:04.439 - 00:20:07.218 No, I'll run it down.

00:20:07.218 - 00:20:24.976 Sorry. Okay, alright so let's see where did I leave off, so we did 1st let me scroll down here and get back where I was at, what was the last one that we did? Was it the 27 June article? Yeah, that's what we're.

00:20:24.976 - 00:20:25.814 Stop.

00:20:25.814 - 00:20:32.849 So then after you have the the 27 June article, mistake.

00:20:32.849 - 00:20:50.789 Then you get a letter from CS Miner, which probably most of us have never heard of, but he does an article on the midst of the week. And so you can see they were struggling, they were definitely struggling over when the 490 year prophecy or the 70 week prophecy.

00:20:50.789 - 00:21:06.149 How it would end and whether Christ, the cross was the end of that or or what, but obviously they come to the conclusion that Christ is in the midst of the week and it goes to 34, but you could see that they were, they were definitely wrestling over the.

00:21:06.149 - 00:21:26.149 The timeline there, the chronology for that, so that's interesting to me as well. And then you get confirming the covenant, the midnight cried July 1818 44 by SS snow. And this is discussing the covenant. So they were having this whole debate about what the covenant is, and.

00:21:26.149 - 00:21:50.294 In this particular one, it talks about him not making a distinction between the 1st covenant and 2nd covenant or the law of Moses and the moral law. Moral law in the same commandments. And so he's having a discussion about that in this article. That's 18 July. That article is 18 July yep.

00:21:50.294 - 00:21:56.300 And and and we don't I don't have that on the screen, that's what I'm saying, right?

00:21:59.066 - 00:22:14.098 Okay, so this is this is by snow on 18 July 1844 and it's called confirming the covenant. Yep. Okay, go ahead. All right.

00:22:14.098 - 00:22:32.099 And then you get this article on 22 August 1844. So this is after exitor, so it's after the midnight cries empowered, and this is.

00:22:32.099 - 00:22:52.099 Crucified in the middle of the 70th week. And so this article is given his logic of why Christ had to be crucified in the midst of the week. And so that's what this article is primarily or I think actually this article might.

00:22:52.099 - 00:23:16.339 I've just copied and pasted that and not finished building that in because I think that's the same thing I set up further up. But I think this article is kind of a culmination of all the stuff that he's put forward so far of their logic. And so this article is probably the most comprehensive article, the longest by a long shot, but it's most comprehensive article on their logic and I'm.

00:23:16.339 - 00:23:34.199 Believe this is there might be one, then there's a bunch of articles from other, other people at that time. Let me see. I think there's one more, yeah. Maybe I was wrong about that, but you get to the midnight cryside September 19.

00:23:34.199 - 00:23:51.269 1844 by SS Snow and it's called the prophetic chronology. I think this is actually the one that is you have that one and that's a short article, and then you have another one the midnight cry, 22 August 1844 by SS snow.

00:23:51.269 - 00:24:08.189 And so this is also called the prophetic chronology. So there's several articles that are called that, but I think that the one.

00:24:08.189 - 00:24:27.209 Let me get back up here, the true midnight cry. I think that article, I'm trying to look through it real quick probably is the most comprehensive article that he writes because he goes through the 2300 days in quite a lot of detail, the 2520 and quite a lot of detail.

00:24:27.209 - 00:24:42.989 He's touching on all the different, 6000 years, yeah, the seven times, the 70 weeks. He's touching on pretty much every one of the prophetic logics.

00:24:42.989 - 00:25:00.501 For why they are, how they came to their conclusion and why they, it really couldn't be wrong. The logic wasn't wrong, in fact, their misunderstanding of what it pointed at was wrong but not, not the logic.

00:25:00.501 - 00:25:17.103 Okay, I'm I'm messing with the screen. I'm sorry for everyone, but I was, you, you're putting some more articles in this history I was gonna try plugging them in as we go, but I won't. It's too much, it's too confusing with the screen right now. I'll have to do it after the fact.

00:25:17.103 - 00:25:36.653 Okay. So, so yeah, so my logic, my thought was, is if, if we wanna read it the the most comprehensive one, it's pretty, it's pretty long though, but that was the one I was thinking would give us pretty much everything of their logic.

00:25:36.653 - 00:25:40.666 22 August. Yeah, 1844.

00:25:40.666 - 00:25:45.776 Saw the true midnight cry.

00:25:45.776 - 00:26:22.801 And this is like the, the summation of all his logic and it's probably you you know you're looking William Miller, William Miller 1st presents his message spoken then and then he has it published, so here at exitor snow's presenting it vocally and then five days after exoder, they're publishing the printed material, it, he, you would think he probably had that printed material already written out by exitor camp meeting.

00:26:22.801 - 00:26:42.682 Yeah, perhaps. I would, if not these guys were turning out stuff so fast, it's really remarkable the work they did. I mean the fact that they were publishing as much as they were publishing is, it's given the the technology they had, it's remarkable. Yeah.

00:26:42.682 - 00:27:01.301 It is. It it's when you're saying that yesterday too is that it's absolutely amazing and it corresponds to me about what the website has done.

00:27:01.301 - 00:27:03.118 Yeah.

00:27:03.118 - 00:27:24.662 It's a, a parallel. They were doing it, you know, manually and we're doing it in a different way, but it it was still having as significant impact in their history, in their area where they were doing antified our history and our areas the whole world. Yeah. Anyway.

00:27:24.662 - 00:27:53.139 I Just to close out that thought Larry, the the letter was from SS Snow, the 22 February 1844, and it ends with the line though at Terry wait for it because it surely will come, it will not terry. And that's February 1618 44 in New York when he wrote that. So that was, he ended his his whole letter in that line and that was, you know, significantly before they understood that.

00:27:53.139 - 00:28:01.141 Obviously, three or four months. Yeah. Okay, that's all. Yeah, thank you.

00:28:01.141 - 00:28:10.456 Yeah, I see it there, ok. Oh yeah, he doesn't give a that's why I couldn't see it. He doesn't give he doesn't write her back it to you in there. He just is quoting it as a matter of fact.

00:28:10.456 - 00:28:12.565 That's right.

00:28:12.565 - 00:28:15.420 Okay, yeah, because that's why I didn't see it. I was looking for the Bible 1st.

00:28:15.420 - 00:28:20.819 Okay, so I'll find that for everyone. Keep going. February second you're saying.

00:28:20.819 - 00:28:22.900 16 February, if you're.

00:28:22.900 - 00:28:28.236 On page 77.

00:28:28.236 - 00:28:29.979 Okay.

00:28:29.979 - 00:28:37.522 The page number at the, at the bottom of the page, not the one at the top. So just scroll up three pages and you'll be.

00:28:37.522 - 00:28:48.501 Hey there? Well, this is 77. You said 77, right? Oh, I'll scroll up three page. Yeah, I thought so too.

00:28:48.501 - 00:29:00.342 Yeah, and it's at the bottom of the page, he says though at right there. Yeah, so I mean that's happening before they're using that verse before the disappointment was my only.

00:29:00.342 - 00:29:19.000 The comment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how they understood it though at that time. They may have understood it differently than they did, you know, that, that he's not going to cherry and so they expect him to return probably is how I would think they would be. Yep.

00:29:19.000 - 00:29:32.023 Yeah, that's the things that there's passages that we have used and as time goes on, they just grow in their their meaning. Yeah. The original meaning.

00:29:32.023 - 00:29:40.817 Yeah, so I don't know, so it's just kind of up to, to you guys if you think it's worth reading that that article. I mean we've got.

00:29:40.817 - 00:29:57.180 Well, we have 30 min but one other thing that I will want you to go over if you would and if you're not prepared, that's fine, is to align the dates of Ezekiel with this history.

00:29:57.180 - 00:30:08.721 Did you have that of a ZEQL Meaningle chapter four or are you talking about oh NO NO NO NO. Are you talking about the, the way I did it at the beginning?

00:30:08.721 - 00:30:37.140 Yeah, here's Ezekiel 2917 is is here on the 1st disappointment and over here we have at Boston Ezekiel one one and the exoder camp meeting Ezeko 2061. Are there any other of ezekiel's dates that we would plug in here is what I'm getting at.

00:30:37.140 - 00:30:43.381 On the Azikio 41, it's the day of atonement.

00:30:43.381 - 00:30:53.902 Yeah, I got that over here, ok. Yeah. I I've I've moved that over cause I was gonna put some more in here when you were telling them and I was expanding the line. Yeah.

00:30:53.902 - 00:31:19.096 Those are the four that I know of, and they are it's interesting that Isekeel, I mean, how of all the days that exist you have four in Ezekiel and the time prophes or whatever the times that he's speaking of that are, you know, matching with these and so it's just kind of remarkable when you're to me.

00:31:19.096 - 00:31:20.656 That that given witnesses.

00:31:20.656 - 00:31:26.156 To this, and so we know is speaking to this time frame and ours.

00:31:26.156 - 00:31:34.138 Has 13 dates in the book, and four of those are on this line. Yeah.

00:31:34.138 - 00:31:53.639 Which goes right along with what you'd expect to see because the Zekiel is, is in the Babelonian captivity, and so he's fulfilling the coming or going into Babelon with the coming out of Babelon, so when you look at Ezra, the 1st day of the 1st month, 1st day of the 5th month.

00:31:53.639 - 00:32:11.519 10th day the 7th month, then you would expect to see, you know, these fulfillments, you know, matching based on the, how they work, and so Isekiel is just paralleling that, and then you have the 391.

00:32:11.519 - 00:32:29.189 Or 390 days he lays on his side and then the one and a half years to the destruction of the temple that's measured very I mean to my thinking it just is remarkable that John is, is doing the same thing and and I gotta believe they have NO idea.

00:32:29.189 - 00:32:49.343 The connection that they're even making, but it's clear to see there's a connection. And so for us, when we're looking at the woes, how all these things line up is just it's, it's humanity didn't do this. God, God did this.

00:32:49.343 - 00:32:53.516 So you want to read this?

00:32:53.516 - 00:33:11.474 Well, I mean I don't think I don't know of any other dates to add to that so we could go through those those texts and look at the text and see what the texts say in order to, to see if there's anything but I have not done that, you know, in the, any, in the recent.

00:33:11.474 - 00:33:19.534 Or you can, we can either do that or you can read that article that you says is a little bit lengthy, but you decide.

00:33:19.534 - 00:33:37.014 At all. I would I think I'm ready to read the article, but if you want to do that, we can do that other one, do the other, but I would have to prepare a little bit for that. I'm not prepared to really elaborate on it other than just to read those and and see what they say and see if there's anything there, but I haven't done it so I don't know.

00:33:37.014 - 00:33:40.117 If there's Okay where Do you know what page that article starts on?

00:33:40.117 - 00:33:47.982 Page 86.

00:33:47.982 - 00:33:54.540 Confirming the covenants right there. The true bidnight cry.

00:33:54.540 - 00:34:05.362 So I'll I'll read through this, I'll try to go somewhat quick. Clayton I did get your email and so I'll try to be.

00:34:05.362 - 00:34:08.273 It's pretty long there. It's pretty long.

00:34:08.273 - 00:34:12.781 I think it's two and a half pages, is it not?

00:34:12.781 - 00:34:15.597 Yeah, but I mean, that was not me.

00:34:15.597 - 00:34:17.903 I know, I know.

00:34:17.903 - 00:34:21.939 So I just that was just an FYI, ok? Yeah, NO, I understood this.

00:34:21.939 - 00:34:33.456 But I'll try to understand people need to be able to get the information so I'll try to be smoother in my reading. I feel much better today, so hopefully I can read better and things will go better.

00:34:33.456 - 00:34:36.217 We don't know what you two are talking about every.

00:34:36.217 - 00:35:05.018 Someone sent an email that said that when we read so fast and read so much, it's hard for people who don't speak English to keep up and, and follow and understand and and when they're translating it using it or whatever to translate, it's not translating very well and it's messing up the words and making hard for people to to follow it. So so we need to be a little bit more articulate as we speak when we're reading.

00:35:05.018 - 00:35:11.321 That's why I was going so slow yesterday afternoon. Yeah. It's from that email.

00:35:11.321 - 00:35:20.139 Alright, I'll, I'll go ahead and read, so the true midnight cry, 22 August 1844 edited advice SS snow.

00:35:20.139 - 00:35:22.934 What's he mean by the true midnight cry?

00:35:22.934 - 00:35:43.769 So Miller had a midnight cry that obviously was not accurate, it he was thinking that it would be sometime by the vernald Equinox would have to come by then. So he's using a logic of the Equinox's. Snow's gonna recognize that it's patterned on the biblical festivals.

00:35:43.769 - 00:36:03.769 And so he's pushing it all the way into the fall based on the arguments that he's put forth saying that snow is wrong, this, the true midnight cry is based on the idea that we're gonna fulfill David Tolement basically. And so that's, that's why he's now calling this the true midnight cry because they finally figured out exactly how.

00:36:03.769 - 00:36:07.154 To pinpoint the date.

00:36:07.154 - 00:36:18.542 So for us, Miller's midnight cry would be the Nashville prediction and snow's midnight cry would be the corrected Nashville prediction. Yeah.

00:36:18.542 - 00:36:40.529 That's how I would read it yes. Okay. Our bless at Lord and master has promised that he will come again and receive his people to himself. That where he is, they maybe also, the place where he and they are to dwell forever is the new Jerusalem, that holy city, which God has prepared for them.

00:36:40.529 - 00:36:58.829 And wishes to come down from God out of heaven, and the new earth, where end well with righteousness. In turning the time of that coming, he says in Mark 1332, but of that day and hour know with NO man. No not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but the father.

00:36:58.829 - 00:37:15.509 So he's gonna deal with this idea that there's NO such thing as setting time only the only one who knows is the day and the hour is the father or not even the son. So he's gonna go into this discussion, just head on meeting that, that argument.

00:37:15.509 - 00:37:33.359 It is thought by many that this passage proves that men are never to know the time, but if it proves this, it likewise proves that the son of God himself is never to know the time, or the passage declares precisely the same concerning him, that.

00:37:33.359 - 00:37:48.779 That it does concerning angels and men, but can any person believe that our glorious lord, to whom all power and heaven and earth is given, is and will remain ignorant of the time until the very moment that he comes to judge the world?

00:37:48.779 - 00:38:07.109 If not, then certainly this text can never prove that men may not be made to understand the time. An old English version of the passage passage reads, but that day and hour NO man make it known. Neither the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but the father.

00:38:07.109 - 00:38:27.109 This is the correct reading according to several of the ableless critics of the age. The word known is used herein. I'm sorry, the word known is used No, NO NO. I keep wanting to say known, yeah. Let me read that again. The word known sorry. I did.

00:38:27.109 - 00:38:45.840 And that can help myself. The word NO is used here in the same sense as it is by Paul in 1st Corinthians two, two. Paul well understood many other things besides Christ and him crucified, but he determined to make known nothing else among them.

00:38:45.840 - 00:39:03.600 So in the passage 1st quoted, it is declared that none but God the father, make it known the day and hour. That is the definite time of 2nd coming of his son. And this necessarily implies that God makes the time known.

00:39:03.600 - 00:39:19.110 The old Testament contains the testimony of the father concerning his son, and concerning the time of both his 1st and second coming. Therefore, the time is to be understood. See Daniel Daniel 1210.

00:39:19.110 - 00:39:39.110 Many shall be purified and made white and tried, but the wickets shall do wickedly, and none of the wickets shall understand, but the why shall understand Romans 15 four. For whatsoever things were written before time were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort.

00:39:39.110 - 00:39:57.150 Of the scripture might have hope. It is by the teaching of his word as we are led therein by the Holy Spirit that we are to understand the time of the coming of our glorious king. As further proof of this, see Daniel Daniel.

00:39:57.150 - 00:40:12.759 09:25, know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem until the Messiah, the prince shall be seven weeks and three score in two weeks. Mark?

00:40:12.759 - 00:40:17.490 One, one. Thank you. 14 and 15.

00:40:17.490 - 00:40:37.490 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into gallery, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying the time is fulfilled. Luke, 91943 and 44, or the day shall come upon the that bine enemies.

00:40:37.490 - 00:40:58.890 Shall cast a trench about the encompass the round, and keep the in every keep the inn on every side and shall lay the even with the ground and by children within the and they shall not leave in the 1 st upon another because they'll know us not the time of the visitation.

00:40:58.890 - 00:41:15.389 1st Peter one nine through eleven. Searching what or what manner of time the spirit of Christ which was in them did signify when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow. Isaiah, you're gonna tell me with that.

00:41:15.389 - 00:41:20.716 One 02:40 41 through five x.

00:41:20.716 - 00:41:50.900 17 1730 through 31. He has appointed a day in the which he will judge the world in righteousness, Ocliastese 03:17. God shall judge a righteous in the wicket for there is a time, therefore every purpose and for every work Equiziasty's eight, five through seven, whose keep whose so keep with the commandment shall feel NO evil thing and a wise man's heart discern with both time and judgment. You're Maya.

00:41:50.900 - 00:42:11.820 Eight six through nine. I harkened and heard, but they spoke not alright, NO man repeat it? Helm of his wickedness repented him, sorry. No man repented him of his wickedness saying, what have I done? Everyone turned to his course as the horse rushes into the battle.

00:42:11.820 - 00:42:29.040 Yay, the stork in the heaven know with her appointed times, and the turtle and crane and the swallow observe the times of their coming, but my people know not the judgment of the lord. How do you say we are wise and the law of the Lord is with us?

00:42:29.040 - 00:42:46.650 Lo, certainly in vain made he it. The pen and the scribes is is in vain. The wise men are ashamed they are dismayed and taken. Lo they have rejected the word of the lord. And what wisdom is in them? Joseah.

00:42:46.650 - 00:43:01.980 Nine seven and nine. The days of visitation are come, the days of reconfense are come. Israel shall know it. A prophet is a fool. The spiritual man is mad. Romans 1311 through 14.

00:43:01.980 - 00:43:21.330 And that NO at the time that now it is high time to wake out of sleep. So a bunch of scriptures telling what they're supposed to do there basically. So we're gonna pick up here now on the, the 6000 years, so he's gonna make his argument from the 6000 years.

00:43:21.330 - 00:43:46.316 The 6000 years, the period of time allotted for this world in its present state is 6000 years at the termination of which commences the great, the great millennial saboth spoken of in revelation 20, in which will be ushered in by the personal appearing of Christ in the 1st resurrection. See Isaiah.

00:43:46.316 - 00:43:49.020 4646.

00:43:49.020 - 00:44:08.640 Nine and nine and ten. Genesis two, one through three, Hebrews four, four through nine, Isaiah 1110, second Peter three eight. According to usher's chronology, which is commonly received, the Christian error commenced in the year of the world four oh four.

00:44:08.640 - 00:44:28.020 4004, sorry, but Usher has lost in the time of the judges a hundred and 53 years from the division of the land of Canyon to the beginning of Samuel Snow's administration. I'm sorry Sanuel Snow's. Samuels, let me reread that, I'm sorry.

00:44:28.020 - 00:44:48.020 From the division of the 295 years, whereas Paul and Axe 1320 gives us about the space of 450. From the book of judges we obtained 430 years.

00:44:48.020 - 00:45:08.510 And Josephias gives us 18 more for the elders and anarchy before any judge ruled. This added to 430 makes 448, which agrees with Paul supposing him to have spoken in round numbers. The difference between this time and that given by Usher is a hundred and 53.

00:45:08.510 - 00:45:26.910 353 years and should be added to the age of the world making for the commencement of the Christian era, 4157 or in other words, 4156 and a fraction had passed at the supposed point of the birth of Christ.

00:45:26.910 - 00:45:42.450 Deducting this from 6000 years, the remaining is 1843, and a fraction, therefore, the period will end within AD 1844. The seven times, so just to be clear.

00:45:42.450 - 00:46:04.240 This was his logic. I don't know. I'm not a chronologist, but my hunch is, is they weren't exactly correct on their logic of when the 1st year was of of time. So you might wanna check that. But his logic.

00:46:04.240 - 00:46:06.733 That underminesher's.

00:46:06.733 - 00:46:43.853 Conclusions. Yes, and so that's why I say that because I don't think that's a correct assessment what he's just done. But, whether it's a hundred percent correct or not, they came to the right inclusion and so, but just to put that that sort of preface in there to be careful about using that as your logic if you argue with somebody, you may not be standing on solid ground. We'll continue. The seven times of the Gentiles, the seven times of gentile domination over the church of God spoken of in Lavidicus 20.

00:46:43.853 - 00:46:45.777 566 begin.

00:46:45.777 - 00:47:02.190 And with the breaking of the pride of their power at the captivity of Manasa Kingajuda BC 677C Isaiah ten, five through twelve. Jeremiah 15, three through nine, Jeremiah 01:17.

00:47:02.190 - 00:47:17.370 Second chronics. 50. Say that again? Oh L is 5050 17 s chronicles 3039 through eleven. This is the date assigned by all chronologisers for that event.

00:47:17.370 - 00:47:37.370 Seven prophetic times amount to 2520 years. As proof of this, see revelation twelve, six, and 14. Where three and a half times are equivalent to 1260 years, a time therefore consists of 360 solar years, which implies.

00:47:37.370 - 00:47:57.150 By seven makes 2520. At this period commence with the 1st day of BC 6707, it would have terminated in the 1st day of 80 1844 or 70 or 6707 full years on one hand in 1843 on the other make.

00:47:57.150 - 00:48:17.150 2520 complete years. It has been supposed that the period would end in AD 1843, but as part of BC 6707 is left out, a correspondence corresponding part of AD 1844 must be taken in to make the period complete. It must have been in autumn.

00:48:17.150 - 00:48:33.990 That Manasa was taken captive as proof of this see Joseya five five. Isaiah seven eight, Isaiah 1011. Joseya declares that Israel shall fall.

00:48:33.990 - 00:48:50.490 And that Judah also shall fall with them, Isaiah represents the king of a Syria as threatening to do to Jerusem, as he had done to Samaria. Therefore, the final carrying away of the ten tribes was before the invasion of Judah.

00:48:50.490 - 00:49:05.910 And in the same year, the prophecy of Isaiah seven eight is correctly dated BC 74265 years from that point, bringing us to BC 6707, and that year was the final breaking of efreem.

00:49:05.910 - 00:49:25.910 That it should not be a people. The history of this we find in second kings, 17. Kings did not go forth on their war like expeditions in autumn or winter, but in spring or summer, therefore in spring or summer of BC 6707 SR Hayden.

00:49:25.910 - 00:49:46.160 And the Asyrians commenced removing the remnant of the ten tribes out of the city of Samaria, and when they had accomplished this, they brought forth, I'm sorry, they brought foreigners and placed them in their stead. Sounds like some particular approach of using people outside of their country.

00:49:46.160 - 00:50:04.822 Three to to to break down the the cohesiveness of a nation similar to what we're seeing happen all around the world and and in the United States today.

00:50:04.822 - 00:50:08.118 But we're not accepting this logic, aren't we?

00:50:08.118 - 00:50:10.958 That I mean a logics web.

00:50:10.958 - 00:50:16.334 Take him placing effreyem instead of Judah at 6707.

00:50:16.334 - 00:50:40.281 I think what he's saying is that from NO cause it couldn't be and it would have been 07:40 or 07:23 when when they were taking captive, but it's taking time. It didn't happen immediately. Joseya went captive in 06:42, but Israel as a a total nation, I believe, doesn't get broken down for a while after that, isn't that true?

00:50:40.281 - 00:50:48.876 Yeah, I I don't argue that, but he he seems to be dating 6707 with the fall of Samaria.

00:50:48.876 - 00:50:52.220 Yeah.

00:50:52.220 - 00:50:54.096 Oh yeah ok so alright. Yeah.

00:50:54.096 - 00:50:58.960 Yeah. Not. U.

00:50:58.960 - 00:51:00.435 Samariath.

00:51:00.435 - 00:51:07.021 The 12th drive, yeah, the the ten northern drives, they they fall in 06:42 06:23, sorry.

00:51:07.021 - 00:51:10.781 72723. Thank you.

00:51:10.781 - 00:51:23.190 Let me see. Performed this work which necessarily occupied some months they were then ready to invade Judah.

00:51:23.190 - 00:51:48.399 So that in the autumn of BC 6707 they took the city of Jerusalem and bound her kings with feathers and carried him to Babelon. From that time, 2520 years reached the autumn of AD 1844, then the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled, the dispensation of the fullness of time will come. The redeemer will come to Zion and all Israel shall be saved.

00:51:48.399 - 00:52:08.279 Okay, so he's, he's he's really off base on some thoughts here. Okay but ok so I'm not the only one catching that, but I'm not criticizing him, but he's, he hasn't made a distinction between the northern Kingdom and the southern kingdom, nor between the Syrians orbaba.

00:52:08.279 - 00:52:26.734 Yeah, and and he's obviously not understanding Isaiah the 65 years either. Right, because you can't come to that conclusion cause it, it's it's pretty specific there that it's within 65 years that friend would go captive and it and then it's at the 65 year mark that Judah goes captive.

00:52:26.734 - 00:52:31.537 And and where this gets clarified in Millionaride history is in 1856.

00:52:31.537 - 00:52:37.399 With high Remedson's articles. Ah yes yes yes cause he's making the argument of the two seven times.

00:52:37.399 - 00:52:39.005 Yep, but go ahead I'm sorry.

00:52:39.005 - 00:53:03.960 Yeah, so just like I said, when we're reading this, do your due diligence, but this is what they were understanding at the time and this was their arguments and their logic, and irrespective, he came to the right conclusion because you would have gone captive in the fall as well, so. Yep. So we'll continue to read. The 2300 days, the 2300 days of Daniel.

00:53:03.960 - 00:53:23.960 13:13. I'm sorry 08:14, sorry. Yeah, I'm not good with the Roman numerals. The 2300 days of Daniel 08:14 are given as the length of the vision contained in that chapter. The RAM is middle persia, the goat is grecia, and the little horn which wax exceeding green.

00:53:23.960 - 00:53:41.400 We learn that Rome will come to its end and when the ancient of days comes, the judgment is set, the son of Man comes in the clouds of heaven. And the God of heaven sets up the an eternal kingdom.

00:53:41.400 - 00:54:01.400 Therefore, the 2300 days which extends to the time when the exceeding great Horn is to be broken without hands and to the last to the last end of the indict nation are so many years and expire at the commencing of Jesus in the clouds of glory. The period commenced with.

00:54:01.400 - 00:54:19.380 Within the 70 weeks of Daniel 09:24, which are determined or cut off and constitute a part of the 2300 days. They must therefore commence together from verse 25, we learn that they began at the going forth of the commandment.

00:54:19.380 - 00:54:45.199 Or decree to restore and to build jerusalem. The point of time from which to reckon must be either when the decree was 1st issued or when it was carried into execution, it could not be the former because the decree embraces all that the decree by cyrus, Darius and Art Exerxi's King of Perjus C Isaiah.

00:54:45.199 - 00:54:47.482 4044.

00:54:47.482 - 00:54:50.618 Isaiah.

00:54:50.618 - 00:54:52.621 4545.

00:54:52.621 - 00:55:25.790 13 s chronicles 3436 2223. Ezra one, one through four Ezra six, one through 15 Ezra seven. The decree embraces three grand objects. The building of the temple, the restoring of the Jewish Commonwealth, and the building of the streets and walls. Now had the 70 weeks which amount to 490 years commenced with the 1st issue of the decree BC.

00:55:25.790 - 00:55:42.810 05:36, they would have ended BC 46, but 69 weeks were to extend to the manifestation of Messiah the prince and the 70th or last week covers the time of his crucificion. We must therefore, of necessity reckon from.

00:55:42.810 - 00:55:59.820 The other point that is the promulgation and execution of the decree of Judah. From Ezra seven eight and nine we learned that Ezra began to go up on the 1st day of the 1st month.

00:55:59.820 - 00:56:17.010 And arrived at Jerusalem on the 1st day of the 5th month and the 7th year of Art Exercy's BC 04:57. Having arrived at Jerusalem, he appointed magistrates and judges and rest restored the Jewish Commonwealth under the protection of the King of Persia.

00:56:17.010 - 00:56:32.100 As we as he was fully authorized to do by the degree of Art exercies, this necessarily required some little time and brings us to the point when the restoring have having been affect affection.

00:56:32.100 - 00:56:52.100 Affected. The building of the street and the wall commenced. The 70 weeks are divided into three parts, seven weeks, 62 weeks, and one week. See Daniel 09:25. The connection shows that the seven weeks were allotted for the building of the streets and the walls, they therefore commenced when the.

00:56:52.100 - 00:57:03.916 He began to build in the autumn of BC 04:57, from that point, 2300 years reached the autumn of AD 1844.

00:57:03.916 - 00:57:15.120 Why don't we end there? Yeah. And we could take this up tomorrow. There's people gotta go to work et cetera etc. Yeah.

00:57:15.120 - 00:57:37.081 That's interesting. I I know that I've read this before, but I don't remember seeing those little, problems. Yeah I've seen I NO doubt seen them, but they they stand out bigger now. Yeah. But it's interesting. It's worth understanding. And this is, this is something that's published after exitor.

00:57:37.081 - 00:57:52.310 Yeah, so this is the conclusion of the matter, right? Like this is the actual They think they've got it all mapped out and laid down and they still had some problems. So I mean, you know, the Lord is working with us, that's what I see in this. The Lord has taken our human fraulties and and.

00:57:52.310 - 00:58:14.100 Light of ourselves and our weakness shows himself strong, and so praise God for that. But let's I I guess we we've got about 2 min if somebody has any, if anybody has any questions that we can answer quickly, feel free to to ask a question before we.

00:58:14.100 - 00:58:30.300 Pray, if not then I'll go ahead and pray alright doesn't look like there's any questions or Bernard? Yeah.

00:58:30.300 - 00:58:48.626 Larry, God bless you so much for the readings. In fact, my concern was you were talking about 8605 years that he didn't make a calculation accurate also but he arrived at the right answer.

00:58:48.626 - 00:58:51.898 Yeah looking at all that heard from the start year.

00:58:51.898 - 00:59:14.961 I see that I've not read this at before and 77 articles. So I think I have to go back and check all these articles. In fact, I'm better enthused and we are on course in this movement. All I say is that God bless so much. Killed up with a good weight, I mean.

00:59:14.961 - 00:59:41.150 You should be strong. I know that you guys are facing challenges there and we're praying for you guys, so, the Lord will work it out, that's all I we have to trust that. The Lord is working all these things out just like you did for the, the Miller Rights in this time frame that you can obviously see that they were, they had, their minds were obviously, they had good minds. And so, you know, they they worked it out eventually and it God is where we're at, so praise the.

00:59:41.150 - 00:59:43.379 Forward for that.

00:59:43.379 - 00:59:46.160 I mean I mean thank you very much.

00:59:46.160 - 01:00:03.050 Let's close with prayer. The heavenly father Lord, we thank you that you are are alive and working, that we can trust you, know that you have our best interest at hand. Lord. I I can see that what you were doing in the line of the miller rights in spite of their struggles, in spite of the things.

01:00:03.050 - 01:00:20.340 That they were, didn't have a hundred percent clarity on that you were still working with them and through them and that you were showing them, you, you were guiding them, directing them to the right answers, Lord, and so we expect that you would do the same for us.

01:00:20.340 - 01:00:38.610 We know that here in the line of the hundred and 44000 there won't be any errors, lord. And so help us to rightly divide the word, help us to to have a pure testimony that in all that we say and do, we have a reason for the faith that's in us that we can give the vendication and justifications.

01:00:38.610 - 01:00:58.610 Or our understandings and the logic that we're putting forth that it's not just human logic, but it's according to your testimony, the word is, has spoken plainly about what we're experiencing and what's going on in the world around us and in our own personal.

01:00:58.610 - 01:01:17.370 Experiences. We know that there are are hard times coming and so I lift up each person that's involved in this, all those that are studying all across the world that are trying to share these messages. I pray that you would strengthen them, uphold them with your mighty right hand and that they you would give them.

01:01:17.370 - 01:01:33.030 The power and strength that they need to carry this message forward. I pray the same for for ourselves here in, in the States and each person that's laboring here in the States. Lord, I pray that you'd settle us.

01:01:33.030 - 01:01:51.300 We know that we're gonna meet arguments that are gonna be hard to to confront. People, there are many people are superior to me in wisdom, but that my wisdom can't be from humanity, our wisdom can't be from humans, but from God, and so Lord.

01:01:51.300 - 01:02:07.159 Bless us to this end that we would receive the light from on high and that we would have the courage to carry it forward that we would stand in your strength according to your willing purposes, we pray in Jesus name and it's for his sake, we pray. Amen.

01:02:07.159 - 01:02:17.039 Hey man. Thank you Larry. Thank you. Lord Willing will all connect again tomorrow morning.

01:02:17.039 - 01:02:21.816 Alright, so, do you want me to pick up tomorrow morning, just so I'm I know.

01:02:21.816 - 01:02:26.820 What I'm preparing. Yeah, you might as well finish this article off and I will try to.

01:02:26.820 - 01:02:43.080 Put clean up the the chart that we had and put a couple of the articles that I didn't have on it on it and we'll see what happens tomorrow morning. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Have a good day. You too. Bye bye.